20moa rail for .223

[NVUplandHunter]

ive got a gen 2 swfa 3-15 and planning on putting it on the 223 tikka trainer im getting.. for now. my question is for all those that have a 223 trainer already.

is a 20 minute rail needed to get out to say 1000? after looking at some charts it doesnt really seem like it but wanted to make sure. im battling between the UM Tikka rings or getting the SRS 20moa rail and some rings.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

No, but I have one anyways for one-off situations. It's not a practical reason to own 20 moa rail.

 

[WCB]

I would check the amount of travel in that scope and where you want your zero range to be. It is possible the 20moa rail would cause you not to be able to zero at 100yds. 10moa may be more practical.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

I would check the amount of travel in that scope and where you want your zero range to be. It is possible the 20moa rail would cause you not to be able to zero at 100yds. 10moa may be more practical.

that was some of my worry. i dont know that ive seen a tikka 10moa rail but then again i havent really searched for one either. time to hit google!

 

[ElPollo]

ive got a gen 2 swfa 3-15 and planning on putting it on the 223 tikka trainer im getting.. for now. my question is for all those that have a 223 trainer already.

is a 20 minute rail needed to get out to say 1000? after looking at some charts it doesnt really seem like it but wanted to make sure. im battling between the UM Tikka rings or getting the SRS 20moa rail and some rings.

First off I have never shot my 223 this far and have not confirmed this data at this distance. For my 18” Tikka shooting BH 77 TMKs, my ballistics app is saying up 11.3 Mils at 1000 for my current DA of 4000’. I would not bother with a rail for this. Frankly it’s a long poke for a 223. My mv data is estimating about 1050 fps at that distance. Not saying it’s not a good choice for a trainer and more. I’ve shot mine out to 600 quite a bit.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

First off I have never shot my 223 this far and have not confirmed this data at this distance. For my 18” Tikka shooting BH 77 TMKs, my ballistics app is saying up 11.3 Mils at 1000 for my current DA of 4000’. I would not bother with a rail for this. Frankly it’s a long poke for a 223. My mv data is estimating about 1050 fps at that distance. Not saying it’s not a good choice for a trainer and more. I’ve shot mine out to 600 quite a bit.

i dont know how often i would actually shoot 1000 with it but i know will be trying at some point. ive got a buddy whos got a 1000 yard spot he leaves a plate at and i need to be able to out shoot his 7prc to make a point haha!!
ill probably be closer to that 600-800 for my longest range shots. obviously never taking a shot at an animal at that range.

but in all seriousness this is useful info. ive seen some posts about guys only needing around the 6 mil mark for zeroing at 100 which would leave almost 30 mils of elevation travel in the scope.. but im also a dumb crayon eater so i could be totally off.

I would really like to just run a set of low rings from UM and call it a day. save my cash on having to get a rail and be able to get into some other options or have more ammo money.

 

[Formidilosus]

ive got a gen 2 swfa 3-15 and planning on putting it on the 223 tikka trainer im getting.. for now. my question is for all those that have a 223 trainer already.

is a 20 minute rail needed to get out to say 1000? after looking at some charts it doesnt really seem like it but wanted to make sure. im battling between the UM Tikka rings or getting the SRS 20moa rail and some rings.

No, you do not need a rail for that combo. A 20moa rail will work fine however.

 

[Anubis]

Well the one I’m looking at comes with a 0 moa rail and the 20 moa would be extra but I’m thinking the same thing that it wouldn’t hurt so might as well.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

No, you do not need a rail for that combo. A 20moa rail will work fine however.

The man has spoken!
I'd rather skip the rail and have more ammo money.. the point is to go shoot the dang thing after all. not get stuck in the minutia of small details.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well the one I’m looking at comes with a 0 moa rail and the 20 moa would be extra but I’m thinking the same thing that it wouldn’t hurt so might as well.

If it is a Tikka with factory pic rail, that is a very good setup and they bond the rail to the action- I would shoot it as is.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

If it is a Tikka with factory pic rail, that is a very good setup and they bond the rail to the action- I would shoot it as is.

im going to be a standard blued T3x. it will be my training until my boy is big enough to start shooting with me and then ill slap in it a compact stock for him.

If im quick enough to get a rokstok ordered when they open up ill trade it out between my 223 trainer and the 6.5cm im working on putting together.

 

[Bowfinn]

You should be good to go with the UM rings. I can dial 600-700ish yards with a Trijicon credo 3-9 1in diameter scope, Sportsmatch rings, and a 18 inch barrel.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

You should be good to go with the UM rings. I can dial 600-700ish yards with a Trijicon credo 3-9 1in diameter scope, Sportsmatch rings, and a 18 inch barrel.

Thanks! im thinking i dont need the 20moa. that 223 will run out of steam before i would need a rail from what ive gathered.

 

[benconfused]

I'm glad I searched and found this chat. So I ordered the UM 20 MOA rail less than 30 days ago. Maven RS1.2 is now en route for my Roughtech 6.5 PRC build. I have NOT yet ordered rings, and was looking at the UM rings.

This is a hunting rifle but I'll practice out to 750-1K on occasion.

Sounds like I don't need the rail correct?

 

[SomeJackassOnAForum]

I'm glad I searched and found this chat. So I ordered the UM 20 MOA rail less than 30 days ago. Maven RS1.2 is now en route for my Roughtech 6.5 PRC build. I have NOT yet ordered rings, and was looking at the UM rings.

This is a hunting rifle but I'll practice out to 750-1K on occasion.

Sounds like I don't need the rail correct?

The SWFA Gen II 3-15x42 has a total elevation ROA of 36 mils.

This should put an expected zero at around 18 mils with a 0 MOA base and leave about 18 mils of travel +/- 2. There's no reason to get a 20 moa rail for that setup.

The Maven has 29 mils of elevation, which should put an expected zero at around 14.5 mils with a 0 MOA base and leave about 14.5 mils of travel +/- 2 from zero.

That's plenty of adjustment to get a 6.5 PRC to and past 1000 yds.

 

[flyfisher117]

You don’t need the 20 moa. I have a 15 MOA because it was on sale and I have oodles of travel. Way more than needed for a 223 in my usage.

If you do get a 20 moa you should have absolutely no issue zeroing at 100 yards.