So while there are good numbers of elk, unit 12 during rifle is a nightmare..., in 20 years of hunting elk, Ive never had one let alone multiple close calls with bullets flying at me like I did in unit 12... I paid to access some public through a private road and it was a legit warzone, with elk ping-ponging between groups of shooters and shooters ripping lead at other shooters. I setup on an a 60 by 100 yd opening before first light 1.4 miles from the end of the private road, off trail, and on opening morning watched 5 cows come out, and after lining up a shot I pulled the trigger, and immediately had 2 different hunters unloading at the same elk 180 degrees from me, and experienced several bullets zipping right over my head. The same lead cow I hit, had a couple bullets in it and since one of those guys let the last bullet fly and was the "killing shot" I didnt argue about it... They were as surprised as I was to hear shots from the other side of the meadow. Fast forward to evening, and Im walking to camp after shooting light, and I end up jumping a couple cows, and again...blouch blouch! again with lead zipping a meter to two over my head....IF you hunt 12, wear orange head to toe and bring a gunshot wound kit. If you setup on a opening larger than 80yds wide, assume there are hunters 180 degrees from you and consider hanging some orange flags around your area... If CPW cut hunter numbers by 3 fold in this unit, it would still be too many hunters. Stay safe out there.