1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[stealthgoat]

Yeah I just noticed Tisas has a 1911 model that's chambered to shoot both 38 super and 9mm.

just to clarify, that has two different barrels, not one barrel that works for either chambering. Many of us with Supers also have another barrel in 9mm, 9x23, etc.

 

[NSI]

Correct.

So if we were to focus only on scaled-down DS and SS 9mm 1911s besides the Staccato c/cs that would leave us with … the Wilson edc x9? Springfield EMP? Anything else?

Do the Glock mag DS 1911s like the platypus and HD or the 320 mag options like the OA and Sig appear to be scaled down in front to back grip girth?

-J

 

[Formidilosus]

So if we were to focus only on scaled-down DS and SS 9mm 1911s besides the Staccato c/cs that would leave us with … the Wilson edc x9? Springfield EMP? Anything else?

I would call the EDC x9 a 2011 or 1921 really.

Staccato C/CS, EMP, and Bul makes one.

Do the Glock mag DS 1911s like the platypus and HD or the 320 mag options like the OA and Sig appear to be scaled down in front to back grip girth?

-J

They are a bit smaller than 2011’s. But, generally blocky and not the same as the C/CS.

 

[NSI]

Thanks. BTW we ran the “lose your job if you throw one” 7 yard A zone bill drill at the local USPSA comp this morning as an optional cold start. 1 GM shot a clean 2.4 with a red dot glock, three As shot clean mid 3s and 4s (3.50 for me with a shadow 2 irons), and an A and 4 Bs failed with sub 3 times. The latter were shocked they failed - newer shooters in general struggle with “gas pedal” IME.

My normal time isn’t blazing (2.5) but adding a second made it seem glacial and I had a luxurious sight picture every time I pressed the trigger. I still struggle to see how tier 1 guys could possibly take multiple seconds longer but I trust your experience. I’ll video a string of 10 must-alpha bills in a row starting cold at any distance that pleases the crowd, next range trip. My mediocrity may serve science.

-J

 

[Dobermann]

I would call the EDC x9 a 2011 or 1921 really.

Staccato C/CS, EMP, and Bul makes one.

Form, do you happen to know which Bul model?

They seem to revise their models nearly every year - and not all are available here.

I picked up a Bul 1911 based on your info here, but curious about a 2011 - and Staccatos are not available here (unless one wanted to try to directly import, which is complicated) ...

 

[RockAndSage]

So if we were to focus only on scaled-down DS and SS 9mm 1911s besides the Staccato c/cs that would leave us with … the Wilson edc x9? Springfield EMP? Anything else?

Are you asking about viable SAOs in the Commander/G19 size range?

 

[NSI]

Are you asking about viable SAOs in the Commander/G19 size range?

Specifically - pistols scaled to 9mm mag specific grip size with 1911 or 2011 grip ergonomics and a a straight to the rear 1911 style SAO trigger.

-J

 

[RockAndSage]

Specifically - pistols scaled to 9mm mag specific grip size with 1911 or 2011 grip ergonomics and a a straight to the rear 1911 style SAO trigger.

-J

The Dan Wesson DWX line seems like it would meet what you're looking for, at least as much as the EDC X9 would. DWX grip is more CZ, but internals, controls, and slide are 1911, with a Glock or Sig-style barrel, with a lot less friction surface than the lugs and link stuff on 1911 and CZ-75 barrels. If you've already got a lot of time on a Shadow 2, it might make for a convenient transition. The full-size DWX uses P-09/P-10 mags, while the Compact uses CZ-75 mags. I've been running the hell out of a Compact for awhile, and love it.

 

[Grumman]

Specifically - pistols scaled to 9mm mag specific grip size with 1911 or 2011 grip ergonomics and a a straight to the rear 1911 style SAO trigger.

-J

Wilson’s SFX9 is a good pistol. I have the 4” model and I think it carries concealed a little better than my C did. It is a noticeably thinner grip than the Wilson X9.


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[huntsman22]

Compact uses CZ-75 mags. I've been running the hell out of a Compact for awhile, and love it.

My favorite 9......

 

[WestTN2288]

So I’ve seen tisas and girsan mentioned, but what about the other cheap name brands? Specifically Rock Island.

Probably just as importantly, what are the things we’re looking for on these cheaper guns to know that you can add Forms part list and feel confident that I am more likely than not, going to end up with a Glock level of reliability? Also, I’m still stuck between whether I am going for a 9 or 45, so I’d be glad to hear what you’ve got on either.

Sorry, I’m not a 1911 guy, but this has perked my interests. Thanks in advance

 

[RockAndSage]

Also, I’m still stuck between whether I am going for a 9 or 45, so I’d be glad to hear what you’ve got on either

This can be a very tribal question, which tends to get people emotionally-driven, identity-oriented answers when you ask around. Think of the truth more as a spectrum of priorities, advantages, and limitations.

I spent about a decade each shooting .45 ACP, .40 S&W, and 9mm, and currently shoot 9mm exclusively for EDC, shifting as I got notable advantages out of each. A big part of that shift has also been the advancements in defensive bullet technology across the last 15 years.

There are pages of details, but the bottom-line points on the cartridge differences are:

- People tend to shoot 9mms more accurately, and more quickly accurately, than .45s, for the same reason they shoot .22LR and .223/5.56 better than .300 Win Mags.

- Lower recoiling also makes guns more pleasant to shoot, so people shoot more.

- Ammo for 9mm is often half the cost of .45ACP, also leading people to practice more.

- You get more ammo in 1 magazine of 9mm over .45.

- 9mm is often less than half the weight of .45, which is a big deal when you're carrying it miles, or even EDC in some cases.

- The advancements in bullet technology have led to there being, essentially, zero statistical difference in reality-based studies of shootings between the effectiveness of modern 9mm, 40, and .45.

So, bottom line on why 9mm: Quicker accuracy, more ammo, less recoil, identical effectiveness, and cheaper to practice with, leading to overall better shooting performance both immediately and especially over training cycles for the individual.

You'll get guys trying to dismiss any one of these points, but they tend to be stuck in a tribal-identity or binary, black/white thinking with how they argue it. Rather than looking at it as a spectrum of priorities, advantages, and limitations. There's nothing 'wrong' with .40 or .45, they just have different limitations, which matter more or less based on your priorities. I'd be just fine carrying one of my .45s or 40s into a violent encounter. Absolutely fine. But fine is not high-performance.

 

[Bc45]

So I was doing some research going to buy a tisas b9r but I am only finding double stack versions. Living in Hawaii we are stupid and only can have 10 round mags. I know they can pin the mags but what are some other good 1911 options that are single stack and are already cut for sight?

 

[NSI]

So I was doing some research going to buy a tisas b9r but I am only finding double stack versions. Living in Hawaii we are stupid and only can have 10 round mags. I know they can pin the mags but what are some other good 1911 options that are single stack and are already cut for sight?

I think judging by the posts above if you're looking for a scaled down single stack carry 9mm 1911, you'd want to buy an EMP and have someone like Impact Machine, Jaegerwerks, Monsoon, etc cut it for your sight of choice.

If you want a full size poverty pony single stack that's not a Tisas, the Girsan MC1911 appears to be a budget option...

If less budget, a Kimber (ugh) Aegis Elite / KHX Pro / Custom LW? This Colt?

If no budget, this Wilson? Any of these Dan Wessons?


-J

 

[WestTN2288]

This can be a very tribal question, which tends to get people emotionally-driven, identity-oriented answers when you ask around. Think of the truth more as a spectrum of priorities, advantages, and limitations.

I spent about a decade each shooting .45 ACP, .40 S&W, and 9mm, and currently shoot 9mm exclusively for EDC, shifting as I got notable advantages out of each. A big part of that shift has also been the advancements in defensive bullet technology across the last 15 years.

There are pages of details, but the bottom-line points on the cartridge differences are:

- People tend to shoot 9mms more accurately, and more quickly accurately, than .45s, for the same reason they shoot .22LR and .223/5.56 better than .300 Win Mags.

- Lower recoiling also makes guns more pleasant to shoot, so people shoot more.

- Ammo for 9mm is often half the cost of .45ACP, also leading people to practice more.

- You get more ammo in 1 magazine of 9mm over .45.

- 9mm is often less than half the weight of .45, which is a big deal when you're carrying it miles, or even EDC in some cases.

- The advancements in bullet technology have led to there being, essentially, zero statistical difference in reality-based studies of shootings between the effectiveness of modern 9mm, 40, and .45.

So, bottom line on why 9mm: Quicker accuracy, more ammo, less recoil, identical effectiveness, and cheaper to practice with, leading to overall better shooting performance both immediately and especially over training cycles for the individual.

You'll get guys trying to dismiss any one of these points, but they tend to be stuck in a tribal-identity or binary, black/white thinking with how they argue it. Rather than looking at it as a spectrum of priorities, advantages, and limitations. There's nothing 'wrong' with .40 or .45, they just have different limitations, which matter more or less based on your priorities. I'd be just fine carrying one of my .45s or 40s into a violent encounter. Absolutely fine. But fine is not high-performance.

I guess I could’ve been more clear, but I currently have a family of Glock 9mm’ and don’t feel under gunned, ever. I’m totally on board with a 9mm having me covered.

45 is just fun and kind of feels right in the 1911. Also, I’m not a fan of safe queens, but I really enjoy guns that are practical, functional, and cheap enough that cost doesn’t keep me from second guessing #s 1 and 2. Let’s be clear, 45 is in consideration because it’s fun.

 

[Braaap]

So I was doing some research going to buy a tisas b9r but I am only finding double stack versions. Living in Hawaii we are stupid and only can have 10 round mags. I know they can pin the mags but what are some other good 1911 options that are single stack and are already cut for sight?

I just picked up one of these from PSA. I think it’s what you’re looking for maybe? So far I’m impressed with it.

 

[sz28]

So I was doing some research going to buy a tisas b9r but I am only finding double stack versions. Living in Hawaii we are stupid and only can have 10 round mags. I know they can pin the mags but what are some other good 1911 options that are single stack and are already cut for sight?

Tisas Night Stalker 9mm can be found for a bit under $500 currently, excluding shipping, etc.

 

[Bowfinn]

So I was doing some research going to buy a tisas b9r but I am only finding double stack versions. Living in Hawaii we are stupid and only can have 10 round mags. I know they can pin the mags but what are some other good 1911 options that are single stack and are already cut for sight?

Tisas makes a single stack1911 with an optic cut.

1911 Night Stalker SF 9

1911 Night Stalker SF 9mm with forged frame, threaded barrel, and 9+1 capacity. Tactical 9mm pistol built for precision, carry, and target shooting.

tisasusa.com

 

[Bc45]

I think judging by the posts above if you're looking for a scaled down single stack carry 9mm 1911, you'd want to buy an EMP and have someone like Impact Machine, Jaegerwerks, Monsoon, etc cut it for your sight of choice.

If you want a full size poverty pony single stack that's not a Tisas, the Girsan MC1911 appears to be a budget option...

If less budget, a Kimber (ugh) Aegis Elite / KHX Pro / Custom LW? This Colt?

If no budget, this Wilson? Any of these Dan Wessons?


-J

Thanks I’ll have to look into them. This is my first pistol so not trying to spend a ton of money just to practice with it.

 

[TitsMcGee]

I'm shocked there's not much mention of the MAC 9ds comp here yet. $850 on a good sale. 4.25" or 5" bull barrel, bottom pic rail, comes with optics plate for an RMR, easily replaceable different trigger lengths from the factory. It seems to be the new hotness amongst the budget 2011 world right now and everything I've seen says it's for good reason. Doesn't seem to take much work to make reliable. Polishing a spot or two, couple of spring adjustments, red-dirt trigger, seems to make very happy owners.

It's certainly caught my attention. Anyone found differentley?