.166 outsert system

[5MilesBack]

Outserts are still a solution searching for a problem.

It shouldn't take much searching to find the problem quickly.......LOL.

I tried some .166 arrows when they first came out years ago. I was done with them within a couple weeks.........same thing for FMJ's.

 

[roosiebull]

Is that insert seriously 86.04 for 1?

Only, it sounds better if you say only

 

[Bamf_Pa]

I use glue in points for 3-d and practice then I change over to warhead 120 grain stainless steel outserts practice a bit so I don’t bend em on bad shots using standard 300 spine VAPs I get 515 grain hunting arrows with great foc.

 

[Beendare]

Its too bad guys don't do a quick search before buying the skinny shafts....

 

[elkhunter505]

Its too bad guys don't do a quick search before buying the skinny shafts....

I’ve been shooting .166 for years with 0 issues but I was shooting 95 grain inserts. Going down to 50 grainers for the weight really exposed it. At this point I am locked in to these so I’ll likely go up on weight for stainless steel and then go back to 5mm next year

 

[Bamf_Pa]

I’ve used them on and off for years. I know they can be a pain in the butt, but I like tinkering so I don’t view it as the worst thing ever. Last year I used glue in broadheads. This year I’m going back to screw in broadheads and 4 mm next year might be 5 mm arrows again. I Enjoy experimenting, researching and building arrows not everybody does and none of my friends really mess with it. I know who they are and they like an easy button for the most part I recommend standard diameter arrows with 50 grain brass inserts and 100 grain broadheads with arrows was weighing around 450. It’s more than enough to kill everything we shoot at in Idaho and they can tune once and just replace the arrow when they run down to four or five. Hell getting them to tune the broadhead is an interesting process they like to shoot it and move the sight to the impact. Even my buddies with bowtechs and the easiest of systems to tune available don’t use the tech in the cam. They just want a fast bow so they turn the disc and are super happy.

 

[Beendare]

I’ve been shooting .166 for years with 0 issues but I was shooting 95 grain inserts. Going down to 50 grainers for the weight really exposed it. At this point I am locked in to these so I’ll likely go up on weight for stainless steel and then go back to 5mm next year

Well then stick with them.

I Literally know a hundred guys that have tried the skinny shafts and only a couple holdouts that like to shoot very long range shots on game still use them....everyone else goes back to 5mm or 6mm.

 

[yoopshoot]

This year I’ve built up a dozen Pierce platinums with the podium titanium 60 grain half out/collar. Incredibly uniform and durable so far.


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[Fins_N_Tines]

In general, seems like a lot of negative experiences with .166 arrows. I understand it and agree that .204 is better overall and has a lot more to select from. However, if you really want to use .166 I think the only way is to use glue-in points and broadheads. Then you get the benefit of the micro diameter arrows with the durability we all need. A few people have mentioned glue-in but seems like it is not being talked about enough. I did have really good results with Easton titanium half outs (55gr). I used them with the 4mm axis, and they were very durable. I am considering going back to the Axis 4mm. If I do, I will use the Evolution glue-in field points along with the Hyde mechanical glue-in broadhead. I would also use an Iron will 10gr titanium collar.

I am trying to find downsides to glue-in.

- Maybe more work as you have to heat up your arrow every time you want to change a point or broadhead instead of just unscrewing.

- If traveling I usually take my broadheads out of my arrows just in case they got loose and do not cut my bow string or anything else. With glue-ins you could not do that. Broadheads would already be on the arrow.

These are really the only downsides I could come up with.

 

[fatlander]

I gave the 4mm arrows another go this fall because I get so many questions about them through my small garage archery shop every year.

I went with the 75 grain Easton match grade titanium/stainless steel half outs.

I shot a few practice arrows a few hundred times over the summer, had a couple hard impacts and they’ve been fine (still spin true). I killed a bull with them in September, and that arrow is fine as well.

I still don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze. I can build 3-5 6.5mm arrows for every 1 4mm arrow I build, money wise. The very slight wind drift performance isn’t worth the increased cost. If the wind is blowing that hard, I’m personally not shooting that far.

YMMV

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[Mighty Mouse]

In general, seems like a lot of negative experiences with .166 arrows. I understand it and agree that .204 is better overall and has a lot more to select from. However, if you really want to use .166 I think the only way is to use glue-in points and broadheads. Then you get the benefit of the micro diameter arrows with the durability we all need. A few people have mentioned glue-in but seems like it is not being talked about enough. I did have really good results with Easton titanium half outs (55gr). I used them with the 4mm axis, and they were very durable. I am considering going back to the Axis 4mm. If I do, I will use the Evolution glue-in field points along with the Hyde mechanical glue-in broadhead. I would also use an Iron will 10gr titanium collar.

I am trying to find downsides to glue-in.

- Maybe more work as you have to heat up your arrow every time you want to change a point or broadhead instead of just unscrewing.

- If traveling I usually take my broadheads out of my arrows just in case they got loose and do not cut my bow string or anything else. With glue-ins you could not do that. Broadheads would already be on the arrow.

These are really the only downsides I could come up with.

IMO the main downside to the 4mm glue-in route is limited broadhead selection. Only broadheads designed specifically for 4mm arrows will work. Your only options are a 4mm broadhead with unthreaded glue-in shank or a 4mm broadhead with Deep Six threads (could be glued in with or without a Deep Six HIT).

But if the broadhead you want is offered in a 4mm configuration, the only other downsides are what you mentioned. Just use heat reversible glue (instead of permanent adhesive) if you want to preserve your ability to remove the broadhead later on.

 

[Bump79]

I gave the 4mm arrows another go this fall because I get so many questions about them through my small garage archery shop every year.

I went with the 75 grain Easton match grade titanium/stainless steel half outs.

I shot a few practice arrows a few hundred times over the summer, had a couple hard impacts and they’ve been fine (still spin true). I killed a bull with them in September, and that arrow is fine as well.

I still don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze. I can build 3-5 6.5mm arrows for every 1 4mm arrow I build, money wise. The very slight wind drift performance isn’t worth the increased cost. If the wind is blowing that hard, I’m personally not shooting that far.

YMMV

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Yeah once you pay for the component upgrades, it really adds up. Even using glue in's are very spendy in the scheme of things.

I've been using a few different .166 shafts over the years. Almost all leave a lot to be desired in the component front. I'll be switching to .204/5mm for whitetail at a minimum, maybe western too. Maybe Glue In Evolutions for my western setup TBD.

These components and arrows look very nice. $60 for an all TI component is pretty solid.

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[tipsntails7]

IMO the main downside to the 4mm glue-in route is limited broadhead selection. Only broadheads designed specifically for 4mm arrows will work. Your only options are a 4mm broadhead with unthreaded glue-in shank or a 4mm broadhead with Deep Six threads (could be glued in with or without a Deep Six HIT).

But if the broadhead you want is offered in a 4mm configuration, the only other downsides are what you mentioned. Just use heat reversible glue (instead of permanent adhesive) if you want to preserve your ability to remove the broadhead later on.

I also get the feeling Easton is moving away from deep six, they don't offer it standard with any of their 4mm arrows this year.

166. by the time you actually outfit them with components they are bordering on 300 a dozen, with in my opinion more problems created than solutions they solve.

204's I think are the smallest sweet spot to go.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

I also get the feeling Easton is moving away from deep six, they don't offer it standard with any of their 4mm arrows this year.

I think an 8-32 thread half-out has been the default option included with Easton 4mm arrows for a while. Easton does still offer Deep Six HIT’s as a “sold separately” item. Iron Will and Ethics also offer Deep Six components, but I would agree that D6 is pretty niche and seems to have waned in popularity over time.

166. by the time you actually outfit them with components they are bordering on 300 a dozen, with in my opinion more problems created than solutions they solve.

204's I think are the smallest sweet spot to go.

I completely agree. The 4mm/.166” juice isn’t worth the squeeze IMO. A 5mm/.204” shaft with an 8-32 HIT is a good choice for someone wanting an arrow smaller than a standard 6.5mm/.245”.

 

[2Stamp]

I used Evolution Outdoors glue-in broadheads this year rather than the halfout screw ins. Not bad, easy use. I've been gluing in my Trad bow components for a long time, so not new to me. But once I get through these arrows I'm going back to 5mm.