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  1. 35WhelenAI

    Supplied Drop Camp Tipping Etiquette?

    90 mile pack out is a heck of a long ways! I appreciate what you're saying, wasn't trying to come across like I did. The distances you just shared I must have missed in the earlier post. I'd be doing the same thing as you all are for that hunt.
  2. 35WhelenAI

    Supplied Drop Camp Tipping Etiquette?

    Drop camps and the like are for folks that can't do DIY. It isn't hard to DIY in the west with a tent on your back, to each his own. That was my first experience in colorado, went with a group of guys and they told me what I needed to bring and so I brought it. Learned on the fly. If you...
  3. 35WhelenAI

    30-30 Copper ammo (Barnes) penciled through Whitetail Buck this morning...thoughts?

    There are no flies in the ointment when it comes to Barnes bullets. If you use them you know. I'd trust my life with them as well in a dead-on charge situation of any animal vs a frangible Lead Core bullet. I'll fill the freezer monotonously regularly with them... With "failures" of frangible...
  4. 35WhelenAI

    .308 for Elk

    If the expectation is a bang flop after one shot and you're hunting elk, if you hunt them enough that's a fools folly. Literally. Folks eliminate good bullets for typical elk hunting ranges by engaging in internet banter. We hear more about the one(s) that didn't work when there are hundreds...
  5. 35WhelenAI

    .308 for Elk

    Thanks for the follow-up, I understand your context now. Absolutely agree.
  6. 35WhelenAI

    .308 for Elk

    165 Ballistic tip is a great choice for .308 speeds and BC gives great downrange internal and external ballistics. I'm not aware of one animal or another being more robust with respect to continuing to live when heart and lungs are destroyed. In that sense elk are no more able to cling to life...
  7. 35WhelenAI

    .308 for Elk

    Push a 130 TTSX to 3200 fps from any .308 and it carries 1 fps over 2200 out to 500 yards at 8,000 FT elevation which is not a-typical elk hunting territory. 2,200 FPS for a TTSX in any caliber has dire terminal performance consequences. Call on a higher BC frangible bullet with lower expansion...
  8. 35WhelenAI

    .308 for Elk

    I haven't used the .308 cartridge specifically but every 30 caliber I've used which is to include the 30-06 and 300 Win mag, have been equally effective on elk. The .308 Winchester is a fantastic choice within the range the projectile has required expansion characteristics. Bullet weight is a...
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    Cutting down barrel browning abolt questions

    I like your plan, good research and checking things out. Hand loading you may get a few more feet per second but I wouldn't go chasing a velocity number if it gets above publish data. 270 WSM is already loaded pretty good from the factory because it's a modern cartridge and only modern rifles...
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    Cutting down barrel browning abolt questions

    Velocity loss per inch of barrel length is a fairly known thing. Take a look on the internet and average some numbers.
  11. 35WhelenAI

    CO tag quantity per season? Where?

    Colorado determines quota after application deadline. They do aerial population surveys in the spring and establish the draw based on that.
  12. 35WhelenAI

    .223, 6mm, and 6.5 failures on big game

    Yaw is an unintended consequence but can help with the desired results. I edited my post slightly after you quoted it, I said I appreciate you noting you haven't had much experience with monos. The rub is the conversation in many cases is around the long range game, thinking with stars in the...
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    .223, 6mm, and 6.5 failures on big game

    I suspect most of those that did yaw, folks made that observation with a dead animal on the ground. That's like saying I have heard and seen pictures of small calibers destroying sides of meat, and that doesn't get received because I've actually never observed it in a dead animal that I've shot...
  14. 35WhelenAI

    .308 or 6.5 PRC for Deer in Colorado

    I was trying to, probably unsuccessfully, say that you ended up shooting successfully at much shorter range. I was looking to assemble some numbers that show long range gets more play than what actually happens in the hunting field. Apologies for any offense, or sting to what I was using your...
  15. 35WhelenAI

    .308 or 6.5 PRC for Deer in Colorado

    I don't see there's anything to go figure lol. I'd love to hear from guys watching this thread how far their more recent deer or elk were taken. I'll start. Last 5 deer: 184 yards, 200 yds, 223 yds, 225 yds, 100 yds. Last 5 elk: 255 yds, 124 yds, 220 yds, 225 yds, 345 yds. In almost 30 years...
  16. 35WhelenAI

    Don't know what to do with my 5 Colorado points

    Lol, coming here to escape drama is like running into a building on fire to cool off. There was tremendous winter kill in that unit and surrounding areas in winter 2022/23. Five points should draw a tag but don't know about the elk numbers.
  17. 35WhelenAI

    Elk Bullets - LRX vs HHT

    Manufacturers that use drops at their specific location, don't do favors to anyone, IMO. Like putting a hot rod car on the dynamometer and bragging it makes XXX horsepower and XXX torque. How does it work at my 7200 ft of elevation versus the sea level that it was tested at that have favorable...
  18. 35WhelenAI

    Elk Bullets - LRX vs HHT

    Gun to the head, LRX. Barnes gets actual BC from a 300 yd indoor range. There's an article somewhere showing advertised versus actual BC and Barnes is consistent as anyone. Keep in mind an individual rifle is not going to be exact to any manufacturer claim, but some manufacturers are better...
  19. 35WhelenAI

    Physical prep for season

    Be careful, don't get the cart in front of the horse. I wouldn't worry about conditioning for packing the animal out, concentrate on conditioning for the hunt, lol. If you are conditioned for the hunt you are conditioned for the pack out.
  20. 35WhelenAI

    .308 or 6.5 PRC for Deer in Colorado

    Point taken. OP did say 1,000 yd range shooting but also to hunt in Colorado. Hunt does involve some type of stalking or pursuing. OP, what range would you be considering to hunt in colorado, or anywhere else? With respect to caliber restriction, send in the case study to Colorado with all...
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