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    "You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

    The original intent wasn’t for an invading country but our own govt becoming oppressive. Why I choose to own guns is irrelevant to the discussion. What we are discussing is why the second amendment exists. Somehow we have allowed the govt to use crime and safety etc etc to be the focal point of...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Yea we went through that earlier, another equation is used but no one could provide the formula. Stats was 15 years ago for me.
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    "You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

    Thats not the reason we have gun laws. When we kicked out the Brits they looked at that oppression and said never again. They wanted an armed populace so that if a power took control like that again they could get rid of it. For some additional context, at the time, civilian's arms were...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    And you showed up to make one of the few negative comments, the discussion has been pretty civilized. You didn't have come to the thread if you weren't interested.
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Ah gotcha, thanks for the clarification
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    I think we are making the same point. You should check out the link I put a few posts up around North America pre and post small pox. Probably will be interesting to you.
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    "You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

    Anyone who makes a broad statement such as one entire healthcare system is just better than another can't be taken seriously. Everything at that scale is a list of pros and cons for each method. Dictatorships vs democracy, 2 party vs multiparty, private vs nationalized healthcare, etc. The...
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    "You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

    Especially when it comes to gun deaths? When did it start mattering how someone dies? How is that a serious point? Personally, Id rather be shot than stabbed or bludgeoned to death.
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    No I’m not trolling, look at the post above yours. I’m calling out that when people say wild it doesn’t mean anything as we’ve been terraforming the continent for 1000+years. There’s no state of the country that you can say yup that’s the natural state of things and this point in time everything...
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    Does anyone navigate using watch??

    Ive been using the Garmin watches with topo for a while now with the same original use case as you. Honestly, any navigating with them is a PITA. Zooming and Panning to get perspective is very laborious. It has come in handy occasionally when my phone died or a quick check to see if I was still...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Im saying range is a fluid thing, Im questioning what point in time is the goal post. There is a ton of research coming out that the perception that the US was just this open wildland with occasional Indian tribes is incorrect. Pre Columbus and Pre small pox the US population was higher than...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Im sorry but thats an emotional response....no creature is more amazing or wonderful than any other. Again, this is just a line of who is in and who is out of the cool crowd. Im sure your lifestyle whether intentional or not has displaced many creatures.
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Why is the burden of proof on me? Do you have evidence that their range didn't expand and contract over the years as the environment changed? I imagine my viewpoint is more accurate unless people think grizzlies existed with the dinosaurs. I don't think we are discussing whether there is a...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Looking through the literature people who fight back against black bears do drive them off a lot of the time. Doesn't mean that if the bear was determined to kill you couldn't, just that they seem to like an easy meal. But yea if they attack you they are trying to eat you but they are half...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    I used to live in CO and I agree that having the REI outdoorsman crowd think twice would be in the plus column. The sheer amount of people is having a big impact on wildlife.
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    So admittedly I think we’ve debated this one fully so I have another question. I hunt by myself, I’ve never have found a compatible hunting partner for hunting style, kids, timing etc. or maybe I debate too much. Lol Are you guys hunting in heavy grizzly areas alone or with groups of people? I...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    Yea I was referring to has that been for all time, I believe that animals ranges expand and contract due to climate, food supply, competition, etc. Admittedly, an abstract rabbit hole. Lol.
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    I don’t think everyone is belittling me just a couple comments. I appreciate Slicks last reply. Also I’m referring to continued allowed expansion not managed by hunting seasons to cull them out of current range. At the end of the day, the reason I fear them is because of the seemingly...
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    I didnt limit my opinion to reintroductions and we both know that states and the feds have many many roadblocks to do anything logical with wildlife.
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    I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

    The comment “ They are supposed to be here” is debatable at the onset. Based on what? Animal ranges change constantly without human impact. So to an idealistic state in time of maximum? Also debated is whether people who want something in one state or area should be able to push it onto others...

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