I love how sensitive the 223 guys are. Going wildly off-topic in posts to try and prove some false equivalency. Refusing to provide any useful information or details, despite demanding them form everybody else. Angrily dismissing anecdotal evidence that doesn't fit their narrative, yet lauding...
In the event that you buy a new gun, my first thought is a T3X fast twist (1:8") 243 Win. You'd be set for any 6mm projectile and if you swapped for a LA bolt stop, you could load to any desired overall length.
This has been my only complaint about Tikka to date. They make excellent base rifles at great prices, but once they start adding cerakote, paint, threaded barrels, and fluting, the price skyrockets. This increase is compared directly to the same modifications/features from other manufacturers.
I think the point is that it's not that easy to get a barrel threaded unless you know a gunsmith and it adds a significant cost to the gun for a service that should have been performed at the factory.
Tikkas already costing well north of $650 will then have the $100-200 for barrel threading...
.016 - .0165 is what I got on new, unsized brass.
Note: I used a caliper rather than a ball micrometer so please forgive any potential error in the measurements.
I guess, for me anyway, it defeats the purpose of hunting if the entire animal is wasted from bullet damage. But for coyotes and hogs that are nuisance animals, it certainly works.
I largely see the same results with copper. Very little bloodshot meat. My elk this year had MAYBE 4lb of bloodshot meat total with a high-shoulder shot.
Lead bullets bruise meat badly, creating bloodshot meat. Copper bullets seem to cut rather than tear/bruise.
I'm largely basing that on the number of times they said they wouldn't produce the brass and the fact that ADG is already spun up for production. If 6.8W continues to get more popular, then I could see them getting involved.
IMO, there are 4 manufacturers of quality brass worldwide; ADG...
From what I gathered, Peterson will never make 6.8W brass. As long as ADG keeps producing every few months, they should be able to satisfy the market for 6.8W.
If dropping an animal in its tracks is your only metric for success, then any copper bullet will work with a brain/spine/high shoulder shot. I don't consider an animal moving after the shot to be a failure unless the damage done is insufficient to kill it in a short time period.
My 2024 elk...
Lots of guys run 6.5s in 7 twist barrels. I've seen a lot of 22 creeds twisted 1:7 running well over 3500 fps.
I largely think the issue is the paper-thin jacket on the ELD-M. Berger, Nosler, and Sierra bullets don't have the same track record of self destruction.
The 6mm ELD-M is notorious for coming apart in flight. It's a bullet issue, not a twist issue.
If a bullet requires a fast twist rate to stabilize, but that twist rate destroys the bullet, it's a garbage design.