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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Under 2lb now. The laminate is very strong so you can remove quite a bit of wood. I did it over completely using course sandpaper around the grip and forend as well as cutting the butt out. This bottom pic 319 yd head shot with 69grn TMK. The laminate provides a very stable platform for the...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    It's just a Boyd laminate that I took to with a jig-saw. and rasp. Plenty of strength in the laminate and makes a nice light stock.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Yesterday. Rem Model 7 shooting 52 grn Berger jacketed projectile. mv 3250. Red Stag 280 yards. Ran 20 yards max down hill. Red hind neck shot at 150-ish yards.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    GFL are Fiocchi
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Can you guys still get the 62 Gold Dots in the US? Haven't seen any here for about a year but for some reason they have just turned up on our shelves. No 77TMK though and when they are on the shelves they are 107NZD/100. Ouch. Ive still got 380 so am ok. There are plenty of 80 ELDM here.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    People talking about 55 grn. From a 223 at 3150 mv. 240 yards. Ran about 30 yards. Fallow deer about whitetail size. 55 grn Gameking. Found under far side skin. Pic of entry under shoulder.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Not sure. The 60 grn Hammer Hunters blow a good exit and mostly leave a blood trail. Certainly on average better than the 77TMK. That doesn't though make them better, just different.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    They are made here in NZ. He is using Berger jackets and his own core mix which is not the "usual" wire lead that most makers use. They are excellent but he cant export because of a constraint put on him by the before mentioned jacket maker.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    I settled on 60 grain with the Hammers 'cos they gave me good velocity with a higher BC than the 52 grn. If I went up in weight I lost too much velocity on the longer shots and I wanted to ensure good petal upset. But, hey, Im talking heresy here amongst the 77 TMK people :). Anyway I wouldn't...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    No I haven't used the tipped ones. The tips come seperate with the projectiles and you have to put them in yourself. Seems odd. I guess the tips might improve the BC by a smidge and perhaps start the upset/expansion a bit quicker but I cant see much advantage for a .223.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    I would like to try the 79 DRT projectiles too but they don't freight to NZ.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Here are the in and out holes from the Red stag (a page back) that I posted about. 60 grn Hammer Hunter. The in hole is the bigger one, the out the smaller one. The exit only made a tiny hole in the skin (its just the unexpanded shaft that flies through. It's interesting mucking around with...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Red stag and a young Fallow spiker. Both about 150 yards. Both lung shot. 60 grn Hammer Hunter. 20" 223 @ 3150 fps. Both bullets passed through. Red stag ran about 30 yards. Fallow just did the .223 stagger and dropped. Good blood trails. Pics of lung entry and exit on Red stag.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    My eyes have a combined age of 150 years. :) Maybe thats why I prefer a higher end magnification.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    I cull up to 70 deer a year, mainly with a .223 out to 400 yards. My experience is that for humane killing my rifles ought to hold one MOA out to 400 yards. Personally I need more than 6 pwr to do that. In regards to 'scopes its subjective but practical experience trumps internet chatter every...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    77TMK 230 yards. Didn't exit, this is the entry. Any good hunting bullet would have worked. The advantage that the 77TMK brings for these shots is a good BC to minimise wind upset and scary accurate. On the matter of the grail SWFA 6x, which I don't understand - it would be quite a compromise...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    More on the theme of lots of types of well placed .224 caliber bullets kill. Another deer taken with a custom 52 grain Berger jacketed projectile. MV 3,250 fps. Quartering away high shoulder shot. Steep down hill. 180 yards. Dropped on spot as you would expect. Not a 77TMK but still impressive...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    You can safely assume that he has been informed by this very thread. Lots of his stuff comes off the internet. It's often easy to track his sources. Doesn't make him wrong though, or always right.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    I mentioned in a previous post that I thought I could post a kill shot autopsy pic using any of the 3 heavy ELD's and the TMK and no would be able to tell the difference. Well yesterday I shot 4 deer at distances from 150 yards to 280 yards using the .223 and 52 grain Berger jacketed custom...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Yes I can agree with that. For me supreme accuracy gives me confidence - a mind thing. I don't think that the TMK's are over-touted because I know through a lot of experience since they were first introduced that they are very good. But I also know that the ELDM's and some Berger jacketed...

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