This entire dumpster fire could be easily avoided if people just tested their own gear. Watch a video on how to properly mount a scope in order to take that variable out of the equation. Go shoot a tall target test with your gun at 100 yards. That’ll tell you if your turret tracks/returns to...
Another Leupold for me. Missed what would be my PB mule deer at 280 yards. 190”+ deer. Shifted 4” low at 100 when tested.
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I suppose it could happen…i guess I’m willing to take the plunge based on Mathew’s QC in the past. I would think that would become a warranty issue if so.
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Competition shooters don’t make their living by winning. They make their living by sponsors. One guy makes his living by winning.
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My point is simple. If you start a bow build/arrow tune with a properly set up bow and a properly spined arrow, you won’t need to move the cams very much at all. You don’t need massive amounts of movements if you’ve done everything else correctly.
Starting with parallel cams is quite important...
10 repetitions on the drop tests would be awesome, no question. Form (the guy who is behind those) isn’t a jo blo hunter…if anyone could come up with a test and run it properly, I’d trust him to do it.
That 5:1 - 10:1 failure is compared to Nightforce. They’re the other company with a...
If you’re getting a massive tear off a bow that’s properly timed, nock point is correct, cams are parallel, and rest is center shot, your arrow isn’t spined properly.
There’s already a bunch of YouTube videos of people tuning arrows with the Limbshift. They’re fixing average tears with ease...
The info WindGypsy dropped is about as good as you’re going to get for rate of failure. An instructor for a sniper school that has mostly leupolds on issued weapon systems seeing between 5:1 and 10:1 failure rate. I’d love to see more numbers. How many scopes has he seen come through the school...
So will I haha. Finally upgrading from my VXR 31.5 the ability to tune at home without a press did it for me. Mathews is pretty well known for testing the crap out of their products before releasing, so I’m not too worried about it. That system is on literally every single bow in their lineup...
The best are definitely comp shooters. Who are all sponsored…and therefore run whoever’s scopes pay their bills and feed their family.
It’s a completely irrelevant point in this case however. The interesting data in this case is the fact that you’ve got very proficient marksmen/instructors...
Wow. Thats pretty damning. I always wondered what those guys were seeing as far as failure rates. Unfortunately for them, contracts are contracts, and rarely are they won by the best. Sound like in this case, Leupold is able to produce “most” not “best”
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Sample size of 1 x a LOT of other people who have experienced and posted THE EXACT SAME THING. For years. On multiple forums.
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Empirical evidence of leupold issues HAS been produced. And some of us DO know how to set up a rifle property and remove the other potential variables. When I have a rifle with a leupld that won’t track on a simple tall target test and return to zero, then throw on a different brand and have the...
I was in the same boat a couple years ago. Now I’ve got a 1 y/o and a 2 1/2 y/o. Little less time in the woods, worth every bit. Still love my time on the mountain, but also love the day to day with the kids a lot more than I used to.
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You asked “is it ALL leupolds” No, clearly not ALL. But many of us have had bad experiences with them over the years. Which can then be replicated with a little testing. Then we go read about many other people experiencing the same thing. It’s not hard to understand why many people start to...
We should keep this thread alive. Not many places for men/fathers to ask questions and get honest feedback and support
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