Do you have any info on the long-term durability of keb vs vidda pro? If the different type of material they use for the crotch area on the keb is flexible, that might be a win for me if durability is equal or better because I've had to restore the stitch in the crotch on my vidda pro several times in 4 years. Otherwise, they seem like maybe a 10-year pant for me
Well, I clocked 43 miles in 4.5 days in the Forest Tracker ESC's as a first-field-use test. No elk, but the boots crushed it as expected after years of FG use. Central WA Cascade Foothills, varied terrain from pure rock jeep roads, to thick black timber, to stream crossings, etc.
I can safely report that I'll be donating a few pairs of other boots to GoodWill and buying a back-up pair of ESC's. Basically what I expected being a Vivo convert in 99% of my daily life for the last 5 years.
Anyone SNO-SEAL'd their ESC's with success? My leather took a beating but seems like it'll be fine with a good clean and condition, don't see any reason to buy Vivo's special sauce when I have plenty of Sno-Seal on hand.
Mine were definitely not fine. Wet tall Cascade Mountains grass + aggressively chasing elk had my ESC's completely soaked through, as well as my Injinji's and my Damascus socks, in a couple hours. I will say they were the only soaking wet boot I've ever worn that remained comfortable.I assume they come treated with Renapur to begin with and they were fine as far as waterproofness as they came and fine after putting more on.
They did, which confused the hell out of me.Did they tell you it's nubuck?
The wild hide pairs I have had all seem to full grain and not nubuck in any way.
Mine were definitely not fine. Wet tall Cascade Mountains grass + aggressively chasing elk had my ESC's completely soaked through, as well as my Injinji's and my Damascus socks, in a couple hours. I will say they were the only soaking wet boot I've ever worn that remained comfortable.
Hence the SnoSeal thought.
That being said I contacted Vivo CS and they advised there is a rainforest variant in the works that includes the waterproof membrane that is currently on the FG boot. No release date. They do not recommend SnoSeal on nubuck leather, due to the mineral oil content. I did not get any further explanation on that particular statement and will have to do some internet sleuthing to get a "why". Maybe a fellow Slider is well informed on nubuck leather and treatment options as it relates to water resistance specifically.
Probably solves my PNW Coast problem if they come out with a lined version of the ESC. I have had zero breathability issues with my FG boots that are going on year 6 of service.
I'll let everyone know if I find anything detailed/informative on my particular waterproof improvement question as it relates specifically to the ESC's.
They aren’t waterproof. There is some water resistance but if it’s raining or you’re walking through wet grass for awhile you’ll get wet feet. They do pretty good hiking in snow for me but will get wet eventually but they stay comfortable.Has it provided any water resistance or proofing?