Utah makes it unlawful to report deadheads through April 30th.

[truehaun]

If your locating sheds your breaking the law.

At that point mark them however you want

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But if a person hikes with a gps tracker on them that’s not illegal is it? Do you want that to be illegal? Because that’s what the closure is trying to do and that’s why I have a problem with that. I thought this was America.

 

[truehaun]

I've never been shed hunting and have no intention of ever going shed hunting. I'm just pointing out that this new law is pretty ambiguous at best.

Thank you. Apparently it’s really hard for anyone to admit that.

 

[realunlucky]

But if a person hikes with a gps tracker on them that’s not illegal is it? Do you want that to be illegal? Because that’s what the closure is trying to do and that’s why I have a problem with that. I thought this was America.

It is America-- that's why you can do whatever you want, some actions may have lasting consequences.

Start a go fund me and challenge the states right to restrict your activities.

 

[truehaun]

It is America-- that's why you can do whatever you want, some actions may have lasting consequences.

Start a go fund me and challenge the states right to restrict your activities. Hurry before someone else snags this idea and gets all the likes and subscribes!

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Look all I’m trying to point out is that to me “gathering”=“locating” or “marking locations” is a bad definition. Imagine if they decided that taking an elk meant “locating” or “marking locations” and if you’re out hunting and you “locate an elk” then legally you have “taken” that elk and have to cut your tag. Am I crazy or is that not at least close to the premise here?

 

[realunlucky]

Look all I’m trying to point out is that to me “gathering”=“locating” or “marking locations” is a bad definition. Imagine if they decided that taking an elk meant “locating” or “marking locations” and if you’re out hunting and you “locate an elk” then legally you have “taken” that elk and have to cut your tag. Am I crazy or is that not at least close to the premise here?

Your crazy.
No document can be defined indefinitely there's always interpretation.

 

[BroccoliRob]

A person shouldn’t have to worry about “locating” a dead animal and getting a fine

I don't think any reasonable, well-intentioned person would be worried about this at all.

 

[CorbLand]

You don’t know me. I don’t want to shed hunt during the closure. I didn’t in 2017 and I won’t this time. I’m simply pointing out that if the definition of “gathering”=“locating” then that could be a slippery slope. Sorry I don’t trust the government and everything they say. A person shouldn’t have to worry about “locating” a dead animal and getting a fine

Let me use an example of how the vast majority of laws are enforced in the US.

There was a guy that worked at a pizza joint and he had a damn good scheme going on. He delivers pizzas and was a drug dealer. You called, ordered a pizza with a specific term. He made the pizza, delivered it to you and put the pot in the box. Your tip was payment for the pot. Worked great until he gave the box to the wrong person going through the drive through one day. Guy gets home, opens the pizza and there’s a bag of weed. Calls the cops, they come get it. Technically, he is in possession of an illegal drug. Did he get a ticket or arrested? No. Why? Because he had no intent of buying weed, he got it on accident.

Let’s convert this to this. You go for a hike, you find a deadhead. You don’t take pictures of it, you don’t mark it, you don’t touch it, nothing, you just walk on by. Was your intent to locate that? No.

If you don’t plan on shed hunting and care about animals, you won’t be on the winter range this year or really any year. This is a non issue. Your not saving the world.

I don’t know you but what I do know is that you are not trying to save anyone. You are trying to disguise complaining as trying to save people or trying to understand. It’s not really fooling people.

 

[roadrunner]

And this is bad how? Geez, with what (us) other states face, I'd take this any day...

 

[Billy Goat]

For some reason, this thread reminds me of Steve.

I know my Rights!

 

[sneaky]

But if a person hikes with a gps tracker on them that’s not illegal is it? Do you want that to be illegal? Because that’s what the closure is trying to do and that’s why I have a problem with that. I thought this was America.

It is America, a nation of laws.

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[truehaun]

It is America, a nation of laws.

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Yeah and some of the laws are tyrannical. Should we not be able to question certain laws? I’m glad Utah doesn’t have 10 round magazine limits like New York.

 

[truehaun]

Let me use an example of how the vast majority of laws are enforced in the US.

There was a guy that worked at a pizza joint and he had a damn good scheme going on. He delivers pizzas and was a drug dealer. You called, ordered a pizza with a specific term. He made the pizza, delivered it to you and put the pot in the box. Your tip was payment for the pot. Worked great until he gave the box to the wrong person going through the drive through one day. Guy gets home, opens the pizza and there’s a bag of weed. Calls the cops, they come get it. Technically, he is in possession of an illegal drug. Did he get a ticket or arrested? No. Why? Because he had no intent of buying weed, he got it on accident.

Let’s convert this to this. You go for a hike, you find a deadhead. You don’t take pictures of it, you don’t mark it, you don’t touch it, nothing, you just walk on by. Was your intent to locate that? No.

If you don’t plan on shed hunting and care about animals, you won’t be on the winter range this year or really any year. This is a non issue. Your not saving the world.

I don’t know you but what I do know is that you are not trying to save anyone. You are trying to disguise complaining as trying to save people or trying to understand. It’s not really fooling people.

You make some good points in here. But legitimately if I’m out cougar hunting would I not also be on the winter range? Do cougar hunters not care about animals. I’m not trying to fool anyone about this. I’m sorry if everyone interpreted it that way. I’m just pointing out my problem with the way the law is worded and yes complaining about that.

 

[CorbLand]

You make some good points in here. But legitimately if I’m out cougar hunting would I not also be on the winter range? Do cougar hunters not care about animals. I’m not trying to fool anyone about this. I’m sorry if everyone interpreted it that way. I’m just pointing out my problem with the way the law is worded and yes complaining about that.

Two things with cougar hunting.
1. Yes, they should not be on winter range but every animal is important to someone. How do you tell cougar hunters that they can’t do something because deer hunters don’t want them on the winter range? Is a deer more important than a cougar?
2. Killing predators is a direct benefit to deer. Reducing predation, reduces pressure on deer. By killing a cougar you are directly benefiting deer. The increased pressure by cougar hunters may very well be offset by the killing of that cougar. The same thing cannot be said for shed hunting.

If I had it my way, Utah would kill every cougar and cut the elk herd in half because I like deer but I am one person and I don’t really matter.

 

[sneaky]

I'm thinking that the OP is wearing either A) a HUSH hat, or B) a Muley Freak hat. What say you WKRs?

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[fngTony]

Last chance for this to be a discussion instead of a trolling and insulting thread.

 

[Fatcamp]

You make some good points in here. But legitimately if I’m out cougar hunting would I not also be on the winter range? Do cougar hunters not care about animals. I’m not trying to fool anyone about this. I’m sorry if everyone interpreted it that way. I’m just pointing out my problem with the way the law is worded and yes complaining about that.

Honest question, in the last decade how many days have you spent spot and stalk cougar hunting during the late winter?

 

[truehaun]

Two things with cougar hunting.
1. Yes, they should not be on winter range but every animal is important to someone. How do you tell cougar hunters that they can’t do something because deer hunters don’t want them on the winter range? Is a deer more important than a cougar?
2. Killing predators is a direct benefit to deer. Reducing predation, reduces pressure on deer. By killing a cougar you are directly benefiting deer. The increased pressure by cougar hunters may very well be offset by the killing of that cougar. The same thing cannot be said for shed hunting.

If I had it my way, Utah would kill every cougar and cut the elk herd in half because I like deer but I am one person and I don’t really matter.

I agree with point 2. And I agree with point 1 that you can’t tell cougar hunter to stop because deer hunters want them too. I know I’ve heard of turkey hunters being upset by shed hunters ruining their sets but I don’t think they would try to ban shed hunting.
Your last point is interesting and I’ve heard people say the same thing about Colorado banning shed hunting to save the animals but then reintroducing wolves. Some people want wolves and some want sheds. Maybe there’s a balance

 

[truehaun]

Honest question, in the last decade how many days have you spent spot and stalk cougar hunting during the late winter?

Me personally I had a tag in 2020 I think and went out multiple times in December and January in the west desert and eureka area. I know some dude the other day before the closure posted up a shed he had found and then a cougar he had shot with his spot and stalk tag.

 

[LoggerDan]

Stop signs are red and say “stop” on them… I Am sure some of you guys would probably argue with that.

 

[CorbLand]

I agree with point 2. And I agree with point 1 that you can’t tell cougar hunter to stop because deer hunters want them too. I know I’ve heard of turkey hunters being upset by shed hunters ruining their sets but I don’t think they would try to ban shed hunting.
Your last point is interesting and I’ve heard people say the same thing about Colorado banning shed hunting to save the animals but then reintroducing wolves. Some people want wolves and some want sheds. Maybe there’s a balance

I have had elk hunters mess up me deer hunting. Hikers, bikers, all sorts of things have messed up my hunt and I would never advocate for anyone of them to be banned. Shed hunting is not being banned, it is having a season put on it this year, the same with every other animal we hunt.

Ever watched or been to a RAC meeting or board meeting? How many times does it get brought up they stagger hunts to limit pressure and avoid conflict?

Do you think that the vast majority of people that want wolves in Colorado are hunters?

The bottom line is this. Half the people complaining in Utah right now don’t really care about anything they say they care about. Half them haven’t shown up to make any changes. They have never said a word until February 7, 2023. The vast majority are not seeking to understand or clarify anything. It becomes evident the moment they start using straw man arguments.