Unknown Munitions Tikka Clone action coming soon?

[SamsonMan22]

How to improve a Tikka action while still allowing the aftermarket products for Tikka’s to work…

1). Integral picatinny rail.

2). Nitride the action.


Then, one of two options-

1). More reliable, and less susceptible to environmental problems. Enclose the action and seal it as much as possible- less entry point for water, ice, and debris means less chance of failure.

Or-

2). Make it lighter from the start- open it up and reduce weight as much as possible for the 4lb sheep rifle people.




How is either of those things “bad”?

Sure I would be happy to have the pic rail rather than dove tail but how much better will it truly be? Nitride can be done to an existing action so unless it comes at a significant discount on their in-house action I don’t see that as a selling point.

On the whole lightening the action aren’t you one of the guys who regularly advises against it? Wouldn’t they have to design a whole different action in order to make it lighter and just as good as it is now say nothing about better. At that point sure you now have a custom action modeled after a tikka lightened and improved, I’m trying to understand how it would interface with current tikka parts in this case though?


I’m really not arguing against a new and improved action, I just don’t see the need for a duplicate of a tikka action that already exists. Build bolts, they usually don’t last long in the classifieds especially 223 bolts, having an in stock ARC bolt face would be nice as well no bolt mods needed.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Idk who in the world would buy a tikka with the MRC/S2H build coming out.
Isn’t it supposed to be superior?
I mean if it’s not CRF is it even reliable?

Why would anyone accept anything less?

 

[omicron1792]

Why not just get a Blaser r8? And you get the best bolt action made….straight pull!

 

[omicron1792]

There are quite a few people that border on the delusional with some of the prices bantered about here.

A bolt with swapable heads is way more expansive and harder to get consistently right for an existing action than a new one-piece bolt.







Do they? Can you name, for clarity so that it can be addressed- what UM has “chased” that has failed that they control? Yes, they have had issues with gun builds this year, right or wrong, they have taken steps to correct it as much as possible. But in actual products that UM has made- what has “failed” due to them chasing too many rabbits?






For a Tikka factory action that does not have a pic rail- the UM rings are the most durable/reliable choice. How does that have anything to do with another action that doesn’t use the 16.5mm dovetail?

Even Tikka wouldn’t use the dovetail today if they brought a product improved version out- reference the Sako S20 with integral pic rail. It is a lengthened T3 action with a 3 lug bolt.


Picatinny is the standard for scope mounting, and the best option currently available. Integral pic rails eliminates one entire potential failure point in a rifle. That there is a legacy system that works, but needed a better option doesn’t change that.

I would argue that the Blaser scope mounting system is better than the picatinny system.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Other then Shaen who doesn’t take work what other owner based people are building Tikkas?

I'm sure kampfeld would build you a tikka to your liking.

 

[GoatPackr]

There was a rebate going most of the year for $75 which when paired with ordering a blued rifle ~$630 or stainless $730 got you quite close to that mark even before potentially selling off the barrel and perhaps the stock (realizing certain barrels and stocks fetch a better price). A few weeks ago there were some solid sales going to pair with that.

Do you need help finding a deal? If so blued or stainless and what bolt face?

I'll let you know when I'm ready.
I'm currently planning 3 like biulds. One for each of my 3 kids.
I'm currently unemployed so it hasn't been a wise choice to buy gun parts.
I should be getting on a big overtime job any day and that should help the penny bank fill up.

 

[Macintosh]

I think there’s good reasons for a company to do something like this that arent being taken into account. Tikkas are only available seasonally, and only as a package. Tikka/beretta dont seem to have any interest in offering parts or options that a lot of people want—its their price-point option and part of that is contingent in not carrying extra stock, producing in large batches with as few different parts as possible, etc. if I just want a tikka and to do any customization myself, then Ill do that…theres no reason for UM to be involved. But lots of people DONT want to mess around with parts and reselling other parts and figuring out where to assemble rhe various parts, etc. for those folks it may not need to be a huge improvement or cost savings at all. But for a company like UM that builds rifles and gun stuff, being able to control the timing and quantity of what they stock counts for a lot…if you cant get more tikkas until next summer you arent building many this spring, and if you have to buy them all at once its a big investment in inventory that you need to pay for up front. It makes no sense from a business perspective. But if you can make a product that is as-good, maybe even interchanges some or all parts, make the same amount of $ on it without having to re-sell random parts that very few people want…BUT you can control the availability and dictate the timing of your investment…that counts for a lot.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I'll let you know when I'm ready.
I'm currently planning 3 like biulds. One for each of my 3 kids.
I'm currently unemployed so it hasn't been a wise choice to buy gun parts.
I should be getting on a big overtime job any day and that should help the penny bank fill up.

In later 2023 there was a $75 rebate on tikkas, then they offered one again June 1 - Nov 30, 2024. No idea if this will become a yearly thing or not for some period of a given year but something to keep in mind if you've got some time. And/or watch for good sale situations.

 

[wind gypsy]

The main reason I would chose to most likely not have them chamber a barrel/rifle build is I just don’t like an employee based builder. I just don’t have faith in the buy in of an employee.

Other then Shaen who doesn’t take work what other owner based people are building Tikkas?

Besides that shit bird Omr

You serious? There's plenty of one man shop or close enough to send a tikka chambering project.

 

[kswaterfowl]

I have a lot of respect for Jake and what he has done, and what he is trying to do. There is no doubt in my mind he has one hell of a work ethic. But I worry that he will overwhelm himself with everything they are trying to accomplish.

 

[wind gypsy]

Why not just get a Blaser r8? And you get the best bolt action made….straight pull!

Barrels. Stock options. Detachable and higher capacity magazines.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Other then Shaen who doesn’t take work what other owner based people are building Tikkas?

Besides that shit bird Omr

Dude what are you on about? You're clearly out of touch here...

 

[NSI]

A pic railed, nitrided, footprint-cloned Tikka is not going to result in recovery of costs for UM. Any price sufficient to amortize costs would drive demand too low.

A lightened mini-sized tikka action in 223, 22 arc, and 6 arc (which takes tikka triggers and fits in howa mini inlets) might have a fighting chance.

-J

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Genuine question here... Why would I buy a "tikka clone" with worse barrels, when I can just buy a Tikka?

 

[LostWapiti]

Imagine if Tikka just started selling rifles chambered in 6mm creedmoor and 7 PRC with threaded barrels in the light model. 69% of the demand for actions would immediately evaporate.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Imagine if Tikka just started selling rifles chambered in 6mm creedmoor and 7 PRC with threaded barrels in the light model. 69% of the demand for actions would immediately evaporate.

Hmmmm... Imagine what 2025 might bring?

 

[Formidilosus]

Sure I would be happy to have the pic rail rather than dove tail but how much better will it truly be?

Depends on the person and use. Is someone saying your Tikka is a POS and won’t work now?

Nitride can be done to an existing action so unless it comes at a significant discount on their in-house action I don’t see that as a selling point.

I don’t think you and others understand at all. It is not between a “tikka and this new action”. It’s between “an R700 ‘custom’ and all the inherent compromises that entails, versus this new action”.

Someone looking at a Tikka probably isn’t going to buy this. However, some people that just have to have “custom” will choose this over a “custom” whatever R700 action.

On the whole lightening the action aren’t you one of the guys who regularly advises against it?

Yes. Can you show me where I stated that I would choose to do it for my use, or most users? That it doesn’t make the rifle more reliable, doesn’t change the reality that people want 5lb rifles. Wilson choose a 5lb R700 based gun, or a 5lb Tikka based gun….

Wouldn’t they have to design a whole different action in order to make it lighter and just as good as it is now say nothing about better.

Please define “just as good” to your meaning?

At that point sure you now have a custom action modeled after a tikka lightened and improved, I’m trying to understand how it would interface with current tikka parts in this case though?

That’s exactly what you would have- which is exactly what some people want.

I’m really not arguing against a new and improved action, I just don’t see the need for a duplicate of a tikka action that already exists.

You mean like the 87 different companies that make R700 “custom” actions? Isn’t “so common” and “made by everyone” used as plus for the R700 pattern? But for a Tikka based design that is wrong?

Build bolts, they usually don’t last long in the classifieds especially 223 bolts, having an in stock ARC bolt face would be nice as well no bolt mods needed.

You believe they are going to have an action, and not make bolts?

 

[Formidilosus]

I would argue that the Blaser scope mounting system is better than the picatinny system.

Better in what way? It certainly isn’t as durable/strong.

 

[Formidilosus]

I think there’s good reasons for a company to do something like this that arent being taken into account. Tikkas are only available seasonally, and only as a package. Tikka/beretta dont seem to have any interest in offering parts or options that a lot of people want—its their price-point option and part of that is contingent in not carrying extra stock, producing in large batches with as few different parts as possible, etc. if I just want a tikka and to do any customization myself, then Ill do that…theres no reason for UM to be involved. But lots of people DONT want to mess around with parts and reselling other parts and figuring out where to assemble rhe various parts, etc. for those folks it may not need to be a huge improvement or cost savings at all. But for a company like UM that builds rifles and gun stuff, being able to control the timing and quantity of what they stock counts for a lot…if you cant get more tikkas until next summer you arent building many this spring, and if you have to buy them all at once its a big investment in inventory that you need to pay for up front. It makes no sense from a business perspective. But if you can make a product that is as-good, maybe even interchanges some or all parts, make the same amount of $ on it without having to re-sell random parts that very few people want…BUT you can control the availability and dictate the timing of your investment…that counts for a lot.

Please sir, no critical thinking here.

 

[Formidilosus]

A lightened mini-sized tikka action in 223, 22 arc, and 6 arc (which takes tikka triggers and fits in howa mini inlets) might have a fighting chance.

-J

How many people buy $1,000 plus mini actions? The only reason the Howa Mini is viable is because it is on sale all the time for sub $400. There should be a high end mini action, but let’s not act like it will sell as well as a “custom” of any other action size.