Thoughts from north of the border re: American West big game tags

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With the ongoing discussion around non-resident hunting and the multitude of recent and proposed changes in the American West, I wanted to provide a perspective that may not frequently be seen or heard - the Canadian one.

The hunting opportunities in Canada are the stuff of legend - the biggest of big game roaming vast wilderness areas. There's one large problem - it's next to impossible for most Canadian hunters to access these hunting opportunities if they happen to fall outside their province or territory of residence. Non-resident hunting opportunities as they exist in the American West do not exist in Canada.

I live in Ontario in central Canada. I can hunt whitetail deer on an OTC license (only one tag per year in almost all of the province) and apply for moose through a preference point system (requires between 10 - 20 points plus to get a bull firearms tag in the more accessible parts of the province) and elk (random draw, very low odds). You can hunt moose pretty much every year (leftover tags) if you are willing to drive 20 plus hours north from the southern populated part of the province and fly in given there are basically no roads that far north. I was fortunate to draw a bull moose rifle tag in 2019 (when the system was random draw before points were implemented in 2021) - but that is the only moose or elk tag I have drawn.

The legendary mountain hunting of Canada is found in the Canadian western provinces/territories (Alberta, British Columbia, Yukon Territory, Northwest Territories). I can't hunt any of these places without either:

a) paying for an outfitted hunt. Spending the thousands to tens of thousands of dollars necessary on these hunts simply isn't feasible for me.

b) in some very specific cases you can be "hunter hosted" by a resident (often needs to be direct family) for some species in some areas (typically less demand species in more remote areas). There is a special application process to undergo to do this. I was very fortunate to hunt mountain goat in northern British Columbia in 2019 as a result of this system - but it is inaccessible for most and was likely a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for me.

Even less exotic options like Newfoundland moose are off the table without paying for an outfitter.

Although the current dynamic around non-resident hunting in the American West is a boiling pot of controversy, people shouldn't lose sight of the amazing opportunities offered for both residents and non-residents.

I hope that states can balance protecting the interests of their resident hunters while still offering realistic access to non-resident hunters. I realize this is a delicate dance - but if done well I think it benefits wildlife, resident hunters, and non-resident hunters.

It's why in fact I am a points holder in multiple American western states myself. Ironically, my most realistic opportunity to hunt mule deer and elk are not even in my own country!
 
So wait, some non-resident (illegal) is adding point creep?

🤣🤣🤣

Back of the line.


20 hr drive and a flight doesn't seem that terrible to me. Typically I'm 30ish hrs of travel to elk hunt.

I'd definitely do that for moose.


Not saying that to poke at you, just as reference. Lot of guys are putting in a whole lot of travel time for elk hunts.
 
So wait, some non-resident (illegal) is adding point creep?

🤣🤣🤣

Back of the line.


20 hr drive and a flight doesn't seem that terrible to me. Typically I'm 30ish hrs of travel to elk hunt.

I'd definitely do that for moose.


Not saying that to poke at you, just as reference. Lot of guys are putting in a whole lot of travel time for elk hunts.
The latitude of the two hunting zones that typically have leftover tags is literally that of James Bay. It's not 20 - 30 hours on an interstate. The roads literally end in communities like Red Lake. From there you'll need to take a float plane a few hundred km north. That float plane ride in is going to cost you $3 - 5 k CDN. There's a reason why these tags go unclaimed while hunters in southern and central Ontario are pissed about how many points it takes to draw tags there.

Last I checked my non-resident application fee adds the same to state coffers as yours so I'll keep my place in the line thanks. Anyway, my point was that American western hunters are in a pretty good space regardless of how dysfunctional some of tag allocation systems may be.
 
Im just trying to find out the total legality so I can have the best of both worlds, US hunting, and CA hunting. Just keep getting mixed reviews from folks and the BC goverment if my brother inlaw can actually take me goat hunting. Lol
 
Im just trying to find out the total legality so I can have the best of both worlds, US hunting, and CA hunting. Just keep getting mixed reviews from folks and the BC goverment if my brother inlaw can actually take me goat hunting. Lol
He can only host Canadian citizens, permanent residents of Canada, or blood relatives.
 
Sorry, not quite accurate:

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Technically he should be able to, but ive tried getting a confirmation and been told yes, then no. Im going to be reaching out more into it the first of the year.


In all honesty. I feel like CA feel like the US has better hubting opportunities, but US thinks the same thing of CA. We are not as limited though as CA is when it comes to NR, minus AK.
 
With the ongoing discussion around non-resident hunting and the multitude of recent and proposed changes in the American West, I wanted to provide a perspective that may not frequently be seen or heard - the Canadian one.

The hunting opportunities in Canada are the stuff of legend - the biggest of big game roaming vast wilderness areas. There's one large problem - it's next to impossible for most Canadian hunters to access these hunting opportunities if they happen to fall outside their province or territory of residence. Non-resident hunting opportunities as they exist in the American West do not exist in Canada.

I live in Ontario in central Canada. I can hunt whitetail deer on an OTC license (only one tag per year in almost all of the province) and apply for moose through a preference point system (requires between 10 - 20 points plus to get a bull firearms tag in the more accessible parts of the province) and elk (random draw, very low odds). You can hunt moose pretty much every year (leftover tags) if you are willing to drive 20 plus hours north from the southern populated part of the province and fly in given there are basically no roads that far north. I was fortunate to draw a bull moose rifle tag in 2019 (when the system was random draw before points were implemented in 2021) - but that is the only moose or elk tag I have drawn.

The legendary mountain hunting of Canada is found in the Canadian western provinces/territories (Alberta, British Columbia, Yukon Territory, Northwest Territories). I can't hunt any of these places without either:

a) paying for an outfitted hunt. Spending the thousands to tens of thousands of dollars necessary on these hunts simply isn't feasible for me.

b) in some very specific cases you can be "hunter hosted" by a resident (often needs to be direct family) for some species in some areas (typically less demand species in more remote areas). There is a special application process to undergo to do this. I was very fortunate to hunt mountain goat in northern British Columbia in 2019 as a result of this system - but it is inaccessible for most and was likely a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for me.

Even less exotic options like Newfoundland moose are off the table without paying for an outfitter.

Although the current dynamic around non-resident hunting in the American West is a boiling pot of controversy, people shouldn't lose sight of the amazing opportunities offered for both residents and non-residents.

I hope that states can balance protecting the interests of their resident hunters while still offering realistic access to non-resident hunters. I realize this is a delicate dance - but if done well I think it benefits wildlife, resident hunters, and non-resident hunters.

It's why in fact I am a points holder in multiple American western states myself. Ironically, my most realistic opportunity to hunt mule deer and elk are not even in my own country!
Awesome perspective. We are fortunate. When I learned that a Canadian citizen couldn’t hunt in another province I was shocked. Canada is a beautiful country but your laws are more messed up than ours.
 
Thanks for sharing this information. I, for one, was not aware of the fact that hunting in a different Canadian province (for a citizen of Canada) was as difficult as it sounds. That system lends a different perspective to this issue.
 
Great post. I am in the same boat as you, Ontario and looking into hunts out west. I just recently realized that for 95% of our opportunities we need to hire a guide...in our own country.

Do you know off hand what some of the other hunter-host opportunities are? I'm going to start browsing through the hunting regs Manitoba and west but I believe it's usually the more common game, white tail, black bear, pronghorn? Don't think you can hunter host on a sheep hunt.

I'm still in the early stages of considering these opportunists or just buckling down and saving for a guide but from the prices I've been seeing it looks like:

Mule deer and Black Bear - $5,000-$10,000
Elk - $10,000-20,000
Mountain Goat - $20,000-$30,000
Caribou - $20,000-$40,000
Grizzly - $40,000-$50,000
Dall Sheep - $70,000-$100,000
Bighorn - $100,000++
 
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