Side bar guys help me out

[DEW0341]

Considering running or trying a side stabilizer, current setup is as follows
Hoyt defiant 34
#71 @ 30-1/2"
Front stab is 15" bee stinger

What is recommended for weight if running a hunting rig with side bar? Don't want to be super heavy with my stab weights but won't to try out the setup see how I like it. Side bar will be a 10" bee stinger I have laying around

Thanks for the help


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[Phil Mendoza]

As with most set up questions the quick answer is it depends. The type of quiver you are running, and the sight you are running will impact the proper side bar weight. I would start with an 8 to 10 inch side bar and start by adding a few ounces at a time. Draw your bow back with eyes closed and when you are anchored up and feel comfortable open your eyes. If your bow is still canted towards the sight/ quiver side then add some weight and try again. You can also change the angle of the side bar to gain more leverage. Only bad thing about kicking your side bar to far away from the bow is it becomes a little award for hunting applications. In my opinion the ideal set up is the one that allows you to draw your bow back and quickly level your bow with minimal effort. Good luck tinkering

 

[TheCougar]

^^. What he said. Every bow setup is different. Just do what feels right. Lord, I can't believe I just said that...

 

[DEW0341]

As with most set up questions the quick answer is it depends. The type of quiver you are running, and the sight you are running will impact the proper side bar weight. I would start with an 8 to 10 inch side bar and start by adding a few ounces at a time. Draw your bow back with eyes closed and when you are anchored up and feel comfortable open your eyes. If your bow is still canted towards the sight/ quiver side then add some weight and try again. You can also change the angle of the side bar to gain more leverage. Only bad thing about kicking your side bar to far away from the bow is it becomes a little award for hunting applications. In my opinion the ideal set up is the one that allows you to draw your bow back and quickly level your bow with minimal effort. Good luck tinkering

I suppose I should have stated what is an ideal weight ratio is front and back to start with as a baseline before tinkering begins, right now I have 5oz up front in my 15" bar. I would imagine I take some off since im going to add another bar to the side? Maybe I'm over thinking this whole thing, which is probably the case, but anyway thanks for the insight and keep the podcasts coming!


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[bojangles808]

something like 4 (back) to 1 (front) is a good recommended starting point. personally i run 4 weights in the back 2 in the front with a 10/8 bee stinger setup. youll see a lot of guys run a lot more weight but since im spot n stalking the extra weight i feel isnt needed. if you want to get technical ... Stabilizers Balance and Bows Oh My! — Archery Learning Center and Bowhunting ProShop

 

[Idaho Brad]

The weights that you install will all depend on how much weight you have out the front from your sight and front stab as well as the side weight from your quiver. There really isn't a baseline because sight weights vary and quiver brands vary along with the arrows in the quiver. So one persons baseline won't be the same as the next. Start with no weights as a baseline.

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[Phil Mendoza]

You might start with leaving the front weight as is so you have a constant. Add the side bar and only change one thing at a time. This way you can see where something is not beneficial. After you have properly balanced your bow, then you can see what ration is comfortable for your set up. At this point you can reduce front weight and side weight based off your own ratio. At this point you can change weights and see when your sight picture or sight stabilization starts to diminish. Then stick with the lightest weight that stabilizes to your liking.
Phil

 

[d90rick]

Do it right the first time so it actually helps accuracy. Google nuts n bolts 3 step stabilizer setup I used 12 yds b/c of room in basement & shot 15 arrows instead of 30. Really cool to see how your groups are affected

 

[excaliber]

I'd try a few setups prior to buying one. I thought I wanted a side bar setup on my Hoyt bow and was able to try a few of the guys setups at the shop and out on the 3D Range. A side bar is great for target shooting and for 3D but I quickly decided I did not want that sticking out on my hunting bow.

I get my bow caught on all kinds of stuff already with just my Doinker stab on it.

 

[BackcountryMT]

A good starting point for the amount of weight on your back bar is the length of your front bar x the weight on your front bar divided by the length of your back bar. So a 15" bar with 3oz on it might like 5-6oz on an 8" back bar. From that it takes playing with the angles to get your cant figured out. This formula usually gets me within an ounce or two.


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[wapitibob]

I use a 20" front with a few oz and an 8" side with maybe 6. Pretty close to Backcountry's rec. You won't need much with a 10" back bar. You want it to level up your sight and after that you're after sight picture hold. I would not be after "balance" per se'. Recoil mgmt enters into it as well. Once you get it dialed, if you want a lighter setup Bernies light bars will let you cut several oz off the weights for the same hold.
If you're working on the setup, your loop location on the string will make a difference too. Set your arrow to bisect the top of the rest hole, maybe a twitch more, loop to match and shoot a cpl rounds. Then bisect the btm of the rest hole and compare that with your std rest location.

 

[Brendan]

Good reading here:

Stabilizers Balance and Bows Oh My! — Archery Learning Center and Bowhunting ProShop