Shooters World Multi Purpose Black for muzzleloader: measure by volume or weight?

[cuttingedge]

Hi all. With the scarcity and cost of BH209, I picked up a pound of Shooters World Multi Purpose Black to try in my muzzleloader. I have located the load data from SW, but it does not say if the charge is by weight or by volume. Can anyone clarify this for me? If you have used it, did you get acceptable results?

I also ordered some BH209 to the tune of $142 shipped, but that price is kinda stupid and no one in my area had any on hand. I said I'd never use any thing but BH again, but...

 

[ElDiablito]

Volume. All black powder subs are measured by volume.

 

[feanor]

Volume. I actually really like that powder as a replacement for Blackhorn while practicing.

 

[cuttingedge]

Volume. I actually really like that powder as a replacement for Blackhorn while practicing.

Thanks for the reply. What type of impact shift do you see when using the SW Black compared to BH?

 

[ElDiablito]

If you compare the published load data, Shooters World is slower.

 

[Flymost]

Not really apples to apples. And what’s the max charge allowed? BH is 120 by volume, I’m guessing that this would be 150 by volume?

 

[feanor]

This is my first season setting up my muzzleloader, so I haven’t set up the chrono yet. I’m using my setup and zero for 100 yards for hunting. So the difference is negligible at 100 yards the way I’m practicing.

 

[ElDiablito]

This is my first season setting up my muzzleloader, so I haven’t set up the chrono yet. I’m using my setup and zero for 100 yards for hunting. So the difference is negligible at 100 yards the way I’m practicing.

What is your Bh209 load and what is the comparable SW MPB load?

 

[feanor]

I have 80 gr weight on 209.

And 85 by volume for multiblack.

Again, nothing too precise and also shooting at 100 yards off hand or against a tree in field shooting conditions. The multiblack is a cheaper powder to get more familiar with my rig and loading etc.

 

[cuttingedge]

I've run BH up to 77 grains by weight (max is 84) with Federal Bor Lock 270gr copper and my hits opened up. I get better results with 75gr. My primers were so wrecked looking I didn't go over 77.

I'm gonna shoot some SW Black tomorrow to see how the accuracy is. I'll post when I get back.

 

[ElDiablito]

I've run BH up to 77 grains by weight (max is 84)

The Bh209 has been getting progressively heavier, so the last lot or two has been closer to a .801 V to W conversion factor. So, max is now about 96 grW (120 grV).

That said, I’m with you, I generally find my lowest dispersion at something less than max - usually 110-115 grV (88-92 grW).

 

[cuttingedge]

The Bh209 has been getting progressively heavier, so the last lot or two has been closer to a .801 V to W conversion factor. So, max is now about 96 grW (120 grV).

That said, I’m with you, I generally find my lowest dispersion at something less than max - usually 110-115 grV (88-92 grW).

I wonder if that is to make it more apples to apples by being closer in volume loading to other black powder substitutes?

I didn't have time to shoot the SW Black today, but I obliterated a milk jug filled with water at 125 yards with my BH hunting load.

As soon as I shoot the SW I will post it here.

 

[wyosam]

I wonder if that is to make it more apples to apples by being closer in volume loading to other black powder substitutes?

I didn't have time to shoot the SW Black today, but I obliterated a milk jug filled with water at 125 yards with my BH hunting load.

As soon as I shoot the SW I will post it here.

I think it’s to make more money by volume- if it’s heavier, there is even less volume in their overpriced half pound jugs.


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[cuttingedge]

I think it’s to make more money by volume- if it’s heavier, there is even less volume in their overpriced half pound jugs.


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Man, I'm with you. The price is terrible. With the price of elk and deer tags here in Colorado though, if $100 gives me a noticeable advantage, I'm gonna have to spend that money. I think having much less smoke at the shot and better performance is worth it. My hunting partner does not.

For just shooting, I'm going with something less expensive.

 

[ElDiablito]

777 is the next best thing to BH209, IMO.

I don’t waste time with any of the other subs.