Puffy pants vs ??

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Anybody using a Kifaru Quilt or Woobie / Doobie for long glassing sessions instead of puffy pants? I am currently using Firstlite Uncompahgre puffy pants and uninsulated boots most of time. My feet and lower half tend to get cold after awhile and I've thought about switching it up to get everything wrapped up together. It seems like it would work on paper, but maybe I'm missing something?

I hunt mainly out of ground blinds in the East and spot/stalk out West.
 
Anybody using a Kifaru Quilt or Woobie / Doobie for long glassing sessions instead of puffy pants? I am currently using Firstlite Uncompahgre puffy pants and uninsulated boots most of time. My feet and lower half tend to get cold after awhile and I've thought about switching it up to get everything wrapped up together. It seems like it would work on paper, but maybe I'm missing something?

I hunt mainly out of ground blinds in the East and spot/stalk out West.
For me this has been working for the past few weekends that I've had my woobie.

Kuiu talus or axis pants
Black ovis 190 long underwear
Kenetrek Alaskan socks
Crispi wild rocks

Glassed in some single digits temps and some breezy teens and 20s. Sometimes I won't move for a few hours.

Generally a decent hike that builds some body heat prior to glassing soon as I get to were I'm gonna glass get my butt pad out, put on kenai and Lost park parka even if I'm sweaty, take boots off get comfy, lay blanket over top legs and put the rest of blanket under my legs and put feet on boots.

Haven't got cold legs yet, I believe that by taking my boots off I'm cooking my socks dry. And all that warm air is trapped inside the blanket. Bc it's my understanding that you will get cold feet from the moisture you've built up moving getting cold. I keep thinking about getting a pair of glassing pants but the wobbie has so many uses I don't think I'd go out in the cold without it.

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For me this has been working for the past few weekends that I've had my woobie.

Kuiu talus or axis pants
Black ovis 190 long underwear
Kenetrek Alaskan socks
Crispi wild rocks

Glassed in some single digits temps and some breezy teens and 20s. Sometimes I won't move for a few hours.

Generally a decent hike that builds some body heat prior to glassing soon as I get to were I'm gonna glass get my butt pad out, put on kenai and Lost park parka even if I'm sweaty, take boots off get comfy, lay blanket over top legs and put the rest of blanket under my legs and put feet on boots.

Haven't got cold legs yet, I believe that by taking my boots off I'm cooking my socks dry. And all that warm air is trapped inside the blanket. Bc it's my understanding that you will get cold feet from the moisture you've built up moving getting cold. I keep thinking about getting a pair of glassing pants but the wobbie has so many uses I don't think I'd go out in the cold without it.

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Thank you for the detailed response mj23polaris. That is very similar to what I was thinking about doing. I guess my biggest mistake has been not changing socks or at least taking my boots off. Do you feel like the Woobie is the way to go with this set up vs the Quilt? I like the idea of the Woobie serving multiple purposes but I could see where the Quilt may be better for trapping heat around the legs / feet similar to a sleeping bag.
 
Thank you for the detailed response mj23polaris. That is very similar to what I was thinking about doing. I guess my biggest mistake has been not changing socks or at least taking my boots off. Do you feel like the Woobie is the way to go with this set up vs the Quilt? I like the idea of the Woobie serving multiple purposes but I could see where the Quilt may be better for trapping heat around the legs / feet similar to a sleeping bag.
I have no experience with a quilt, I don't know the difference insulation wise between say kifaru wobbie and quilt. So I can't say one would trap heat better. Maybe email kifaru they have been helpful with me when asking about packs.

I guess maybe biggest thing is the quilt larger than a wobbie compressed? If it was would the size of the quilt be worth what ever was gained by running it.



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I use a 40* Apex throw from VI AM. Basically a slightly simpler, lighter woobie. I typically take it on late fall/early spring trips when the temp bounces back and forth above freezing, and short day trips when I don't have a quilt with me.
The woobie is advantageous vs just using the quilt for a couple reasons. First, getting a down quilt wet is a bad deal. If it's not well below freezing and there's snow on the ground or precipitation, there's a chance of getting the quilt wet. I've left the throw/woobie home on very frigid hunts (under 25* the whole time) and just used my quilt while glassing to save weight. No danger of it getting wet when it's that cold out. Second, the woobie is more durable material than most down quilts. No worries about snagging it and losing all of the down from a baffle.
The woobie has a couple advantages over puffy pants as well. First, I think it traps heat better. Less of it gets compressed while sitting, and it covers more of the body (including feet). Second, it's quick to throw on and off. I can't imagine wanting to hike in puffy pants, I'd sweat like crazy. The throw takes no time to put on and stuff back in a pack. It's also multi-use. Woobies/throws are big enough to add another insulation layer to the entire body at night, and make a good pillow when it warms up a bit.
 
I use a 40* Apex throw from VI AM. Basically a slightly simpler, lighter woobie. I typically take it on late fall/early spring trips when the temp bounces back and forth above freezing, and short day trips when I don't have a quilt with me.
The woobie is advantageous vs just using the quilt for a couple reasons. First, getting a down quilt wet is a bad deal. If it's not well below freezing and there's snow on the ground or precipitation, there's a chance of getting the quilt wet. I've left the throw/woobie home on very frigid hunts (under 25* the whole time) and just used my quilt while glassing to save weight. No danger of it getting wet when it's that cold out. Second, the woobie is more durable material than most down quilts. No worries about snagging it and losing all of the down from a baffle.
The woobie has a couple advantages over puffy pants as well. First, I think it traps heat better. Less of it gets compressed while sitting, and it covers more of the body (including feet). Second, it's quick to throw on and off. I can't imagine wanting to hike in puffy pants, I'd sweat like crazy. The throw takes no time to put on and stuff back in a pack. It's also multi-use. Woobies/throws are big enough to add another insulation layer to the entire body at night, and make a good pillow when it warms up a bit.


Thank you PathFinder. Those are all good points to consider and I haven't thought about puffy pants getting compressed more while sitting. I typically try to use a pad of some sort to sit on and I'm sure that helps, but you still are compressing whatever is underneath you. I like the idea of having multi-use out of what I'm packing around, so I think I'm going to pick up a Woobie and see how it works out. Thank you guys for your help!
 
Cool, didn’t think of using the woobie like this.

Don’t forget, Kifaru is supposed to be dropping puffy pants soon..
 
I use a HPG serape in poncho mode draped over me in the ground blind or just ground and Kuiu Superdown Pro puffy pants on the bottom half. Sometimes I run a Kifaru LPP and FL Uncompaghre vest under the Serape. December whitetail hunts where I'm motionless for hours get cold.
 
Cool, didn’t think of using the woobie like this.

Don’t forget, Kifaru is supposed to be dropping puffy pants soon..


Any word on when? I actually saw a post about it somewhere on here but found limited info when I searched again.
 
The Western Mountaineering vapor jacket and flight pants have been excellent for me. I highly doubt I'd ever part with them.
 
Use woobie (not a kifaru product) for glassing, sitting, sleeping, pulling security in general
Nothing better for predator calling.

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I made a quilt from materials from ripstopbytheroll.com because of ideas that I got here on Rokslide. Now, when I say that I made a quilt what I mean is that I conned my wife into making it and I helped her.

Anyhow, it was early archery season in CO. I used the homemade 40 degree quilt to sleep at night and then used it to glass in the mornings. I needed it because it was about 30 degrees with 30mph winds on ridges about 13,000 and I didn't pack a lot of extra clothes into the backcountry. The 40 degree (Apex synthetic insulation) quilt has a big footbox because I wanted to glass with my boots on. No problems whatsoever. I was on steep stuff so I couldn't take off the boots. I forget the weight of it but for a backcountry hunt I think it makes a lot of sense. I just started doing it this year. I'm planning on doing it even more this coming fall and see no reason to buy puffy pants. Puffy pants would just cost more and weigh more.
 
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