Planning a once in a lifetime sheep hunt

I put in for a ram tag here in Montana again. Year number 47 in a row now. Maybe this year and I'll be able to post pictures of a nice ram.

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Many years ago I helped a guy get this ram in Montana. He sure was pretty and was just a bit over 40" on the longest side if I remember correctly. I'd sure be excited to get one this nice. Not a Dall sheep but still extremely hard to get, especially drawing for one of these darned tags.
 
Peter638,
I wish you luck on your quest for a ram but we're talking serious money here and I read things that concern me like, "will I have time to learn how to use a rifle before the hunt?...I've only ever hunted east coast whitetails. I've got two young kids and etc. etc."

I seriously wonder if maybe you're an experienced sheep hunter just trolling comments here to see how far you have to go before someone says WTF!!!

The following is opinion...take it or leave it;
1) Avoid an Alaska dall hunt for the foreseeable future. Yes some hunters will get their ram but harvesting a ram is hard, why go at a time when it's even harder due to population dynamics? Yes some areas in Alaska have better populations than others and the residents know that and are adjusting their plans for next season accordingly. It's unlikely you will get out in front of them.
2) In demand outfitters are booking trips +/- 3 years out. If you find a hunt opening sooner or at a great price it is probably NOT your lucky day. There are literally five thousand hunters doing exactly what you are doing and the marketplace is remarkably efficient. If an outfitter has a great price or an immediate opening there are, more likely than not, valid reasons why other hunters that started this quest before you have passed on that hunt. Outfitters are masters at sounding optimistic, proceed with discretion.
3) If you were 22 instead of 42 I would advise you to skip raffles and applying for Bighorn tags in the western US. I've done the $$ analysis and if you're a nonresident just starting in the application game you are better off taking what you would have spent on raffles/apps and create a dedicated sheep hunt investment account.
4) The sheep hunts with better chances of success cost more that the "harder" ones, it's just one of those supply and demand things. A NWT dall hunt will likely cost over $50k by the time you get there and back. The reason is because operating helicopters is expensive and healthy herd numbers are a desirable commodity. Sure you might get an AK dall hunt for half of that but the odds of success in NWT are 2x to 10x better. You get what you pay for.
5) The internet makes sheep hunting look awesome and it is but be aware that the hunters that came home empty-handed or got $crewed out of ten$ of thou$and$ do not go to hunting forums and brag about it. The disappointing stories are out there, they just don't get shared online like the success stories.
6) Hiking with a pack in the Adirondacks is good and necessary but you will get humbled on a backpack sheep hunt.
7) A caribou hunt as a way to test the waters for a northern sheep hunt is like saying I want to hunt elk so I'm going to go out West to hunt pronghorn antelope and see what it's like. If you're really serious I suggest you book a backpack mountain goat hunt with a northern BC, AK or Yukon outfitter that also outfits sheep hunts. It costs less than half of a dall hunt and you will get a genuine taste of mountain hunting in the North. See how you enjoy it, test your rifle, equipment, self. Plus you might get acquainted with the guide or outfit that you will be sheep hunting with...someday.

All this cautionary stuff aside, if you do it and do it right, you will love it. I don't know anyone that has been on a good sheep hunt that doesn't count the time spent as some of the greatest days of their life.
This ^^^
 
I guided sheep for in Alaska for 20 years. Four years ago I saw the numbers drop to the point I didn’t feel right taking someone’s money for a sheep hunt. I cancelled three years worth of bookings. But one guy. Wouldn’t. Cancel. I tried and tried. “There’s no sheep. It will just be a hiking trip. I haven’t seen a sheep cause there isn’t any” he would not cancel.
He killed a 39.5” ram. Sheep numbers were crap. We average seeing one sheep per day. He was just blessed. So really I guess my success rate is 100 percent over the last four years. 😆
There are still sheep in Alaska, and good hunts to be had. My area has had major winter die off twice now in 20 years. It’s ugly. But not all mtn ranges get the same snowfall and impact.
 
Hunted with Mac in 2018.... SOOOOO glad I chose to go with North Curl. Killed on day 3...saw INCREDIBLE numbers of sheep (in the hundreds!) with numerouse mature fc rams. Mine was ~37", 11.5 years old.

Wow! Thanks so much for sharing this! Sounds like you had an absolute dream hunt and you killed my dream ram! Congrats! Makes me even more excited for my hunt with North Curl!
 
Hunted with Mac in 2018.... SOOOOO glad I chose to go with North Curl. Killed on day 3...saw INCREDIBLE numbers of sheep (in the hundreds!) with numerouse mature fc rams. Mine was ~37", 11.5 years old.

Given that you have hunted with North Curl, I'd love any advice you have for someone who is going to hunt with them. Is it a really physical hunt or do the horses alleviate some of that (I'm definitely planning to be in top shape, but curious how it played out up there for you)? Did you backpack or spike out or just stay in cabins? Anything you think someone going to hunt there should know ahead of time? Thanks!
 
This x2.

To be brutally honest, for someone with little to no experience mountain hunting the only sheep hunts that will give a decent chance of success are the horseback hunts in the Yukon (40-50K), mobile float plane/helicopter hunts in the NWT (45-60K), a select few easy access California bighorn hunts in BC (150K+) or buying a governor’s/provincial tag (250K and up to over a million). And even on those hunts it takes some stamina, grit and mental toughness to get it done.

AK hunts, Alberta BH, and even BC Stone’s are simply not the same good odds hunts they used to be.
 
This x2.

To be brutally honest, for someone with little to no experience mountain hunting the only sheep hunts that will give a decent chance of success are the horseback hunts in the Yukon (40-50K), mobile float plane/helicopter hunts in the NWT (45-60K), a select few easy access California bighorn hunts in BC (150K+) or buying a governor’s/provincial tag (250K and up to over a million). And even on those hunts it takes some stamina, grit and mental toughness to get it done.

AK hunts, Alberta BH, and even BC Stone’s are simply not the same good odds hunts they used to be.
if you are using a pack train of horses and have the time and funding you can make it still the old ways ... atv, argo and helicopters are defintely not on the same level.
 
Given that you have hunted with North Curl, I'd love any advice you have for someone who is going to hunt with them. Is it a really physical hunt or do the horses alleviate some of that (I'm definitely planning to be in top shape, but curious how it played out up there for you)? Did you backpack or spike out or just stay in cabins? Anything you think someone going to hunt there should know ahead of time? Thanks!
We rode horseback for 6+ hours to a remote cabin in a protected valley. We slept in tents and only used the cabin for cooking meals and gear storage. Each day we rode out of the valley (~1-2 hours) and up into the alpine where we tied up the horses and then day hiked / climbed typically 8-10 miles....nothing too crazy (maybe 1-2K ft) . The terrain was a mix of tundra and boulder fields. My advice would be to not only be in decent shape, but also work on your balance by hiking in loose rocks / boulders....which is waaaaay different than trail walking or even cross country hikes on more stable ground.

My guide (Eldon) was exceptional and always VERY professional. Still, I wanted to take an active roll in my hunt and brought my own tripod and glassing equiptment which I would reccomend to anyone that considers themselves a "hunter". I actualy spotted the ram that I ended up harvesting while on a different mountain block where we were trying to locate a different band of rams. The following day Eldon made the call to go after the ram I had spotted...which was a loooong way off....but we managed to locate him ....make the climb to get into position ...then seal the deal with a single, 130 yd shot.

Dont get all caught up in having the latest greatest rifle either. Definitely dont buy something new (and unfamiliar). Just bring what you are most comfortable shooting. Sheep aren't that tough...shot mine with an old Rem 700 in .308 shooting 165 gr. SPBT's....a load I am confident shooting out to 400 yds....which is PLENTY!

Above all, have a good mindset (true for any hunt). Take it ALL in. Killing a ram is just part of the overall experience.....Once you've done it, you'll know what I mean.

Mac & Leona will take GREAT care of you!
 
We rode horseback for 6+ hours to a remote cabin in a protected valley. We slept in tents and only used the cabin for cooking meals and gear storage. Each day we rode out of the valley (~1-2 hours) and up into the alpine where we tied up the horses and then day hiked / climbed typically 8-10 miles....nothing too crazy (maybe 1-2K ft) . The terrain was a mix of tundra and boulder fields. My advice would be to not only be in decent shape, but also work on your balance by hiking in loose rocks / boulders....which is waaaaay different than trail walking or even cross country hikes on more stable ground.

My guide (Eldon) was exceptional and always VERY professional. Still, I wanted to take an active roll in my hunt and brought my own tripod and glassing equiptment which I would reccomend to anyone that considers themselves a "hunter". I actualy spotted the ram that I ended up harvesting while on a different mountain block where we were trying to locate a different band of rams. The following day Eldon made the call to go after the ram I had spotted...which was a loooong way off....but we managed to locate him ....make the climb to get into position ...then seal the deal with a single, 130 yd shot.

Dont get all caught up in having the latest greatest rifle either. Definitely dont buy something new (and unfamiliar). Just bring what you are most comfortable shooting. Sheep aren't that tough...shot mine with an old Rem 700 in .308 shooting 165 gr. SPBT's....a load I am confident shooting out to 400 yds....which is PLENTY!

Above all, have a good mindset (true for any hunt). Take it ALL in. Killing a ram is just part of the overall experience.....Once you've done it, you'll know what I mean.

Mac & Leona will take GREAT care of you!
Thanks so much for the advice! What a great experience!
 
I would not avoid Alaska. What I would avoid are the outfitters who prioritize money/bookings over hunter opportunity by continuing to take more hunters than their area can realistically provide for. Two AK outfitters jump to mind; one who has been 100% on opportunity over the last three years (because they take very few each year), and a second who was five for six in 2024. I also know several people who went to the Yukon and to the NWT in 2023 and 2024 who returned without ever finding a legal ram or firing a shot, so be careful with the narrative that "Alaska is a bust and Canada is a sure thing."
Hello could you advise on the two Alaska outfitters. Thank you
 
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