Pay attention guys.

[Darren Best]

Those of you that live in states that have illegally planted wolves, check your kills carefully.

It seems that game animals are turning up infested with Tapeworm.

A guy in Sandpoint Idaho spent 40 days hunting with a once in a lifetime moose tag and his was infected.

He brought the issue up with IDFG and they told him too bad so sad, season is over, no replacement tag.

This is the second instance of Tapeworm infested meat I have heard of this season.

https://www.facebook.com/justin.webb.1840

 

[JWP58]

Is there some sort of link between the "illegally planted wolves" and these tapeworms?

 

[jmez]

What would be the link with wolves?

 

[Darren Best]

http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010...-have-thousands-of-hydatid-disease-tapeworms/

http://lobowatch.wordpress.com/tag/billions-of-microscopic-tapeworm-eggs-spread-by-wolves-annually/

http://sciencetrio.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/of-wolves-and-worms/

http://www.westerncowman.com/2012/April/cry_wolf.html

 

[jmez]

Thanks for the articles. I can't read Facebook. Echinococcus and Hyadatid cysts makes sense.

 

[Darren Best]

From one of the articles above.

In 1947 wolves were classified by taxonomy and it wasn’t until the 1980′s when DNA designations were created that this changed . This transition took us from having over 27 different species of wolf to having only 5, and this realignment consolidated the Canus Lupus Occidentalis, Columbianus and Irremotus into one grouping now called the ”Gray Wolf.”

 

[Ryan Avery]

I met Justin this year hunting Moose, imagine that! He busted his ass off and killed a nice bull. Only to find it infested with worms. The IDFG has reissued tags to people before so why the double standard now?

 

[Darren Best]

I don't know Ryan, but I think if he keeps raising a stink about it and spread the word, they will likely change their minds.

 

[pyroducksx3]

The fact that they knew this (hydatid tapeworms) about the wolf and chose to reintroduce them anyway and not informing the public infuriates me. There really isn't one good things about "reintroducing" the wolf except the wolf lovers think its beautiful to hear them howl.

 

[FemoralArchery]

Since he killed a bull, I don't think he should get another bull tag. In his post, he's complaining about the meat not being usable, so he should only get a cow tag.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Since he killed a bull, I don't think he should get another bull tag. In his post, he's complaining about the meat not being usable, so he should only get a cow tag.

I bet he would be ok with that. I think the bigger problem is the IDFG needs to have set rules for everyone! Not a case by case basis. I think that would clear up the confusion.

 

[chevy_dog]

I don't believe that he should be issued another bull tag. The once in a lifetime hunt is not only for the meat, but the experience. He got the experience and satisfaction of harvesting a nice bull, but the meat turned out to be bad, and that is just dumb luck. Should the hunter be awarded two experiences of a once in a lifetime hunt? No.

I harvest a lot of ducks with rice breast, and have to throw away the meat because I will not eat cysts. However, I don't believe that I am entitled to another duck on the strap because of this. I did not read the articles on whether the F&G is responsible for the parasite in the meat, but nevertheless, I don't think that issuing additional tags is the right thing to do, and the F&G got this wrong initially by issuing replacement tags in the first place. It was said before in the comments section of the facebook article - the best option would be for the F&G to allow the hunter to receive the meat from a poached, injured, or problem moose rather than issuing another tag, and that would be generous.

What does the F&G do with a hunter that successfully harvested a deer with CWD, or another disease (I don't know if eating a deer with CWD is ok)?

 

[realunlucky]

At the end of the day hunting should be about eating the animal. Its tough to issue another oil tag because the harvest numbers should be manage the species. I don't know what the solution is maybe a crop damage permit for elk or something. Sounds like its something that isn't going away and may be much more common as wolves numbers grow. Have to go back to killing them all I guess

 

[chevy_dog]

At the end of the day hunting should be about eating the animal.

That is not true in my case.

I hunt animals for the excitement of the pursuit. I also like eating the meat, but that is not why I hunt. If it was only for meat, I don't need to hunt - I could buy it at any butcher for much less than a hunting trip costs. I don't eat coyotes, but I shoot them. Same with raccoon.

The pursuit is what drives my hunting. Not the trophy (though I do hold out for bigger if the conditions exist), and not the meat (though it is definitely something that I enjoy). I don't think that this reason makes me any less of a hunter or sportsman.

 

[chevy_dog]

I am not educated on the wolf planting, but can someone please link me to an article that shows how these wolves were "illegally" planted?

Don't want to argue whether or not they were illegally planted, I want to educate myself.

Thanks.

 

[Darren Best]

In 1947 wolves were classified by taxonomy and it wasn’t until the 1980′s when DNA designations were created that this changed . This transition took us from having over 27 different species of wolf to having only 5, and this realignment consolidated the Canus Lupus Occidentalis, Columbianus and Irremotus into one grouping now called the ”Gray Wolf.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_lupus_occidentalis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_lupus_irremotus

http://lobowatch.wordpress.com/tag/billions-of-microscopic-tapeworm-eggs-spread-by-wolves-annually/

As you can see there are distinct differences between irremotus and occidentalis. Occidentalis being much larger, hunting in larger packs and much more aggressive than irremotus, which is native to the Rocky Mountain ecosystem, occidentalis is not native to the USA.

According to ESA and numerous wildlife laws it is illegal to introduce a non native species. Should you or I transport and transplant a fish, plant or animal into a habitat that it never historically existed, we would face heavy fines and imprisonment.

The irremotus subspecies did in fact exist in remote parts of Montana and Idaho in the late 70's and early 80's, but the wolf huggers were impatient to bring about their recovery plan. When occidentalis was introduced, irremotus was effectively wiped out, another clear violation of their own laws.

They have broken laws and lied to us every step of the way to introduce occidentalis and now the citizens of these states that this species is invading are left holding the bag. They initially promised 45 breeding packs of 450 wolves in the three state area and we now have over 245 breeding packs with over 4000 wolves and spreading far beyond their initial target area of Idaho/Montana/Wyoming corner.

 

[chevy_dog]

Thanks Elkhunter! very informative.

 

[Hawker]

Well said. Chevy-dog. I agree completely

 

[AZ Vince]

Coming from an agricultural background I'm of the opinion that the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

 

[tbone131]

That's why most people are going to shoot, shovel, and shut up when it comes to wolves. They are a predator! Just like a bear or coyote or any other species. They need to be managed! I live in Alaska and it is much different up here. They encourage you to shoot wolves. I rarely see them but hear them often. When I am out hunting I will kill the ones I see if the opportunity presents itself. Lots if prey up here. Moose, caribou, deer, fox, sheep, goats, etc. The point is these animals need to be managed or elk and deer herds in many western states will vanish.