BK Ammenwerth
Lil-Rokslider
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- Jan 13, 2017
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I just wanted to give my opinion and quick review of the new TL outserts. I’ll start by saying I’ve built so many different arrow combinations over the years it’s almost embarrassing. Originally I really loved micros (not just Vaps) until I ran into the true achilles of all micros arrows, the insert/outsert/halfouts and the the durability issues or getting them to spin perfectly. That was over 7 years ago or so when I first started messing with micros. As most know the penetrators were terrible and I’m not shooting an elk with a deep 6. So I went away from them and built 5mm arrows.
Fast forward to 2017-2018 or so and I tried again going micro with Ethics, Firenocks, ballistic, Easton system. I figured I’d try once more with the new TLs this spring.
I built a dozen Vap TKOs with the new 75 SS insert. They are similar to the Shok insert at the front but they completely sleeve over the shaft about 1/2” so I’m glueing not only the inside of my arrow and insert but also the sleeve to the outside of my shaft. It seems to really reinforce the build. Each insert was within 1 grain or less of 75. If I didn’t explain that well I’ll add a picture at the bottom. In the picture I set both shafts at the exact same place so you can see how far it sleeves over the outside of the shaft. Total arrow weight 480 grain. As any decent OCD arrow builder I cut my shafts as straight as possible even though in my experience with the V1s they are crazy straight. Then I squared both sides. I’m a big believe in AAE Max impact for inserts so that’s what I used (it gives you plenty of time to spin test and tweak with it to get it perfect). I dry fit each insert on the shaft with a long field point to amplify any wobble. Honestly getting every single arrow out of my dozen to spin super true was easy. After initially glueing in my insert I typically just rotate a quarter turn as needed until my arrow spins perfectly balanced. I think I only had 1-2 I had to toy with. They came out great.
What really mattered to me was how they held up after lots of shooting, I shot both bales and 3d. If I had to guess I’ve probably shot 2000 plus arrows since building them. They have held up remarkably well. With the old Shok 95 SS inserts or the 34 grain aluminums I’d have a few that wouldn’t spin true by now but not the case thus far with the TLs. I even T-boned the aluminum sleeve that runs up the leg of a deer target which holds it upright and my slick trick mag got tore up and needed replacement but my insert and arrow was fine. Knock on wood cause some day soon I’ll prob forget to move my slider between shots and launch a arrow at the frame of our bales or the angle iron that keeps them compressed.
Bottom line, I’m really impressed with the new inserts Victory came out with. For me it’s not about the money but having gear I can count on. The price isn’t bad though. For guys that like micros due to minimal wind drift, good penetration, but concerned about how the business end is attached to your arrow I’d say give them a try. For the record this is just my opinion I have zero affiliation with any companies, I’m just a tinkerer with a hunting and archery addiction. I hope this helps anyone on the fence about which route to go.
Fast forward to 2017-2018 or so and I tried again going micro with Ethics, Firenocks, ballistic, Easton system. I figured I’d try once more with the new TLs this spring.
I built a dozen Vap TKOs with the new 75 SS insert. They are similar to the Shok insert at the front but they completely sleeve over the shaft about 1/2” so I’m glueing not only the inside of my arrow and insert but also the sleeve to the outside of my shaft. It seems to really reinforce the build. Each insert was within 1 grain or less of 75. If I didn’t explain that well I’ll add a picture at the bottom. In the picture I set both shafts at the exact same place so you can see how far it sleeves over the outside of the shaft. Total arrow weight 480 grain. As any decent OCD arrow builder I cut my shafts as straight as possible even though in my experience with the V1s they are crazy straight. Then I squared both sides. I’m a big believe in AAE Max impact for inserts so that’s what I used (it gives you plenty of time to spin test and tweak with it to get it perfect). I dry fit each insert on the shaft with a long field point to amplify any wobble. Honestly getting every single arrow out of my dozen to spin super true was easy. After initially glueing in my insert I typically just rotate a quarter turn as needed until my arrow spins perfectly balanced. I think I only had 1-2 I had to toy with. They came out great.
What really mattered to me was how they held up after lots of shooting, I shot both bales and 3d. If I had to guess I’ve probably shot 2000 plus arrows since building them. They have held up remarkably well. With the old Shok 95 SS inserts or the 34 grain aluminums I’d have a few that wouldn’t spin true by now but not the case thus far with the TLs. I even T-boned the aluminum sleeve that runs up the leg of a deer target which holds it upright and my slick trick mag got tore up and needed replacement but my insert and arrow was fine. Knock on wood cause some day soon I’ll prob forget to move my slider between shots and launch a arrow at the frame of our bales or the angle iron that keeps them compressed.
Bottom line, I’m really impressed with the new inserts Victory came out with. For me it’s not about the money but having gear I can count on. The price isn’t bad though. For guys that like micros due to minimal wind drift, good penetration, but concerned about how the business end is attached to your arrow I’d say give them a try. For the record this is just my opinion I have zero affiliation with any companies, I’m just a tinkerer with a hunting and archery addiction. I hope this helps anyone on the fence about which route to go.
