New Eberlestock Mainframe w/load lifters

[kata2012]

I saw this new version on their website today with what looks like function load lifers. It also looks like they beefed up the waist belt.

MODFRAME

COMING THIS SUMMER The Modframe is designed for ultimate versatility and comfort in the field. It features an integrated, adjustable meat shelf with compression straps to secure heavy loads with ease. The frame is compatible with the bolt action rifle scabbard and includes “Quick Attach”...

eberlestock.com

Im probably one of the few people that liked the original mainframe, and Im interested to see how the new version functions.

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[Tahr]

Looks like a good update. I hope that they are given an objective assessment on here and not just discarded or derided because of top tier brand loyalty.
Ive got and use a top tier forum favourite but this Modframe does look like a solid option with plenty of versatility.

 

[dgfavor]

 

[wh0cansay]

What a ridiculous amount of padding everywhere. Same old same old.

 

[Tahr]

What a ridiculous amount of padding everywhere. Same old same old.

Say what? Doesn't look much different to others like K4 and IR to me.

 

[wh0cansay]

Say what? Doesn't look much different to others like K4 and IR to me.

Yup, K4 has an absurd amount of padding as well. That's what most pack manufacturers these days have to resort to in order to offset the negative effects of having a frame that can't be fitted to your spine due to rigid stays (or a fully rigid frame in the case of the Kifaru Ark or this new Modframe). This, in turn, places the load further away from your center of gravity.

 

[mad_angler]

What a ridiculous amount of padding everywhere. Same old same old.

I'm not sure what you mean.
It certainly looks different than the old Ebelestock mainframe. I didn't like the lack of padding, poor hip belt, poor lumbar support, no straps inside the zippers, and NO load lifters. It looks like the new frame fixes all those issues...

Personally, I'm excited and looking forward to the new frame. It will allow me to use all my current Eberlestock accessories and address all my complaints.

 

[wh0cansay]

I'm not sure what you mean.

Excessive padding on the harness and lumbar pad, both of which are unnecessary and counterproductive on a well-fitting frame. It's the default counter-measure implemented by pack manufacturers these days in order to offset a poor fit, or a frame that doesn't allow for a proper custom fit due to its rigid tubular frame, like the Mainframe.

Lumbar support comes from correctly fitted stays, not padding.

 

[Tahr]

Excessive padding on the harness and lumbar pad, both of which are unnecessary and counterproductive on a well-fitting frame. It's the default counter-measure implemented by pack manufacturers these days in order to offset a poor fit, or a frame that doesn't allow for a proper custom fit due to its rigid tubular frame, like the Mainframe.

Lumbar support comes from correctly fitted stays, not padding.

It seems like you are damning this Modframe simply on appearance. So whats an example of a pack that fits your less padded criteria? And what specifics makes it superior?

 

[wh0cansay]

It seems like you are damning this Modframe simply on appearance. So whats an example of a pack that fits your less padded criteria? And what specifics makes it superior?

Not damning anything, just describing what I see. I've owned a few Eberlestock packs and not a single one of them ticked the boxes on load carriage fundamentals. They were miserable to use.

A pack that fits my criteria would be the Hill People Gear Qui-Ya / Qui-Ya Light. Customizable aluminum stays, fantastic belt, unique yoke harness and pulley-style compression system. That's an internal frame though - their Decker Tall has the same suspension but functions as an external and is in that sense somewhat similar to the Mainframe / Modframe, conceptually speaking.

 

[oldskool67]

The new Eberlestock Modframe just went up for sale today on their website

 

[dgfavor]

Not damning anything, just describing what I see. I've owned a few Eberlestock packs and not a single one of them ticked the boxes on load carriage fundamentals. They were miserable to use.

A pack that fits my criteria would be the Hill People Gear Qui-Ya / Qui-Ya Light. Customizable aluminum stays, fantastic belt, unique yoke harness and pulley-style compression system. That's an internal frame though - their Decker Tall has the same suspension but functions as an external and is in that sense somewhat similar to the Mainframe / Modframe, conceptually speaking.

The HPG Decker frame system looks like it's worth a try but I can't get past the spaghetti bowl of straps it appears to require. The new Mod frame may have more straps than I wanna deal with. Love the simplicity and tidiness of the Mainframe...the load shelf hoop kickstand thingy not so much. The new Mod frame may have more straps than I like. I wonder if that load shelf beaver tail deal comes off? I've had no problems with meat or heavy sandbags staying put with 3 straps across it..and my bags stay put on top of that often using the same 3 straps or breaking out gate keeper straps I carry.

 

[wh0cansay]

The HPG Decker frame system looks like it's worth a try but I can't get past the spaghetti bowl of straps it appears to require. The new Mod frame may have more straps than I wanna deal with. Love the simplicity and tidiness of the Mainframe...the load shelf hoop kickstand thingy not so much. The new Mod frame may have more straps than I like. I wonder if that load shelf beaver tail deal comes off? I've had no problems with meat or heavy sandbags staying put with 3 straps across it..and my bags stay put on top of that often using the same 3 straps or breaking out gate keeper straps I carry.

I agree, Qui-Ya would be my first choice from the HPG lineup. The Hill brothers said it themselves - they only made the Decker because that's what hunters think a hunting pack should look like, whether it makes practical sense or not. They prefer internals as well.

 

[Machingeaneer]

I agree, Qui-Ya would be my first choice from the HPG lineup. The Hill brothers said it themselves - they only made the Decker because that's what hunters think a hunting pack should look like, whether it makes practical sense or not. They prefer internals as well.

Intuitively, what you're saying about the stays and after watching the HPG fitting video makes sense regarding load transfer. However, why aren't the rest of the pack companies doing something similar if it's such a large difference?

I'd be curious to try one of their packs but it looks like you're stuck putting meat in the bag with the Qui-Ya or dealing with the decker strap salad.

 

[wh0cansay]

Intuitively, what you're saying about the stays and after watching the HPG fitting video makes sense regarding load transfer. However, why aren't the rest of the pack companies doing something similar if it's such a large difference?

Well, in the old days you would go to a physical store and the employees would help you fit the stays to your body. That's no longer the case, so people have to be trusted to do it themselves, which is a long shot. Add to that the fact that everyone is obsessed with weight nowadays - it's easier for manufacturers to run with a lighter material like carbon / some composite, and simply put an averaged-out curve in there that should fit 'most people' OK.

Additionally, many pack companies don't seem too understand the basic principles of efficient load transfer. Whoever runs the Eberlestock YouTube channel once commented that load lifters, paraphrasing, "aren't that important". Well alright, that's how you get your reputation for discomfort.

As for your second point, you are correct, but what's wrong with putting meat in the bag?