Long Jumping Berger VLDs...

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Berger VLDs always seemed to have a reputation for needing to be seated into the lands or not very far off of them. I have been shooting/hunting/ testing with 6.5 140 grain hunting Bergers in a few 260s for the past year. One of the rifles has 638 of these sleek beauties through it since July of last year.

This rifle is chambered/throated around a Hornady AMAX seated long. I changed out the HS Precision/Wyatts extended box set up for a McMillan A3/Surgeon DBM running AICS mags. To shoot a 140 Berger VLD out of the magazine, it has to seated .100" off the lands. I shot several different bullets seated to mag length while waiting for the stock to show up, just to see what would happen. The easiest bullet to get shooting well that far off was the Sierra 140 SMK. The hardest/worst one was the Sierra 142 SMK. I had mixed results with the heavy AMAX and the VLDs, but I never changed my standard powder load.

After a little fine tuning of the powder charge, 5 shots out of the magazine, jumping .100" with the 140 VLD, has consistently shot under .5 MOA. There have also been some real smoker groups, with 10 shots coming in under .5! I shot the load out to 1268 yards last year with no problems.

I suspect that this barrel may be less sensitive to bullet jump because of the tight freebore, but the other 260s I have shot this bullet from don't mind the jump, either. Don't be afraid to try them in your rifle. It might take a little tuning, but these bullets are such fine killing machines at long range, it's worth the effort!

 
Sam I have set up some rifles that shot well with 180 VLD's seated short. One was -.115" off and the other was .150" off the lands. I have heard others say there is usually two seating depths a rifle will shoot the same bullet well. One being close and another being far off the lands. But that was just something I heard and related to.

Jeff
 
That is a great article and makes my point very well. When I first heard of Berger bullets, they weren't marketed towards hunters and the prevailing wisdom was that they would only shoot jammed into the lands. It took some folks messing around with them and "breaking the rules" to figure out they could shoot well with a long jump.

My point is, shooters (especially new shooters just getting into the long range game) should seek advice and experience from folks who have been doing it successfully, but shouldn't be afraid to try new things...even if it goes against the grain!

FWIW, my Hart barrel will shoot 5 into .5 moa from .010" to .0120" off...it just doesn't care where it is. Ryan did some testing with the Savage LRP and found a sweet spot at .015" off and drilled 5 into .183" (with the 140 Hybrid).
 
Excellent post!
It lends creedence to the fact that there are never any absolutes in shooting/reloading.

I've also subscribed to the common knowledge that VLDs wanted jammed, too. Yet could still find happiness jumping VLDs in some hunting rigs, as Sam has posted. I like to develop loads for VLDs beginning with them seated firmly in the lands, that way I have a baseline of finding max. pressure from a jammed bullet. With that knowledge, seating back off the lands from that known 'jam' length, I know pressure will decrease with the same powder charge (to a point, where compressing powder might again begin to spike pressure). Once that pressure threshold and accuracy potential is documented with a 'jammed' VLD, then one can incrementally seat back from the lands and possibly find similarly accurate load, jumped. To what distance that might be, is trial & error, and you'll never really know til' ya try! And that is part of the fun, anyway...

And, as an aside, might be interesting to note, regarding Berger VLD bullets. The original (thin jacketed) "target" bullets are the same bullets Berger now markets as their "hunting" bullets. And the newer "target" bullets actually have a thicker jacket, to better withstand longer strings of fire and increased barrel wear from target rifles. One might assume that the 'hunting' VLD would have a thicker jacket, but that is not the case...
 
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