I was hesitant to use the 143 ELD-X in my 6.5 PRC

[ChrisAU]

Because I’ve been a staunch Nosler Accubond fan for a few years now with tons of excellent results. Picked up a Christensen MPR in 6.5 PRC and located some factory ELD-X. I’ve read good things, and I’ve read bad things. Well, I now have a sample of one. This is entrance side on a 95 lb whitetail doe at 260 yards, and isn’t acceptable IMO. Shot placement was perfect about 2” behind the front shoulder. Somehow, the front shoulder on the entrance side was 80% destroyed and the off hand shoulder, even with a 4” exit hole behind the shoulder indicating she was nearly perfectly broadside, was 90% destroyed. Gelatinous meat. Incredibly, she ran 10-15 yards too. Which isn’t a big deal but bewildering.



I have some 140 gr Accubonds coming from @Unknown Munitions , I need them ASAP! Will likely give the ELD-X one more opportunity before they arrive.

 

[hodgeman]

I had a very similar effect with a 143 ELDX from a 6.5CM on a caribou at 150 yards. Lots of bloodshot meat. It sure as heck worked, but I lost a bunch of prime eating in the process.

 

[Forest]

They shoot extremely well and certainly kills critters. But I too switched back to bonded, less bloodshot meat and I just trust them a whole lot more

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[deadwolf]

The good news in all this is that you shouldn’t have any trouble finding someone to take the PRC ammo off your hands


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[ChrisAU]

The good news in all this is that you shouldn’t have any trouble finding someone to take the PRC ammo off your hands


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True...if the Unknown Munitions loads shoot well in my rifle, which I expect they will, I plan to retire on the 50 or so ELD-X's I have. I'm pretty excited about it.

 

[wapitibob]

As long as they have oxygenated blood in the brain they can run. We've had antelope run over 50 yards with no heart.

 

[Laramie]

I think inside of 300 yards those bullets are just coming apart too fast. I have always been a bonded bullet fan and don't anticipate ever changing.

 

[sndmn11]

I think inside of 300 yards those bullets are just coming apart too fast. I have always been a bonded bullet fan and don't anticipate ever changing.

For the exact same reason, we only shoot monos. I think if the goal is meat, there isn't a better choice.

 

[Laramie]

For the exact same reason, we only shoot monos. I think if the goal is meat, there isn't a better choice.

I know a lot who swear by monos. I personally have had numerous negative experiences with them so have gone 100% bonded.

 

[sndmn11]

I know a lot who swear by monos. I personally have had numerous negative experiences with them so have gone 100% bonded.

I'd be interested in hearing them. We have 3 rifle shot animals the last two years and a cumulative 30 gards of tracking.

 

[wapitibob]

I just bought a 6.5 creedmoor and as the bullet research has progressed I read bad things about both the eld-x and accubonds. Maybe a 120 ttsx is the way to go.

 

[khuber84]

I killed 2 deer and an elk with monos this fall, 2 antelope and a deer with 156 bergers. The 122 monos going 3400fps and 156s going 3000-3150. I lost little meat from the 156s, 2x @ 200y, one at 580y. The monos ranged from 270-450 on deer, and the elk took 4 rounds at 580y. The monos worked efficiently on deer however elk I'd get a bigger bullet. I should have known better but I was confident in my skill and ability to put quick rounds on target. Which I needed. Next year I'll have a 9tw 30 cal set up for 198gr hammer super bulldozers from a 300 rum or norma imp.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I killed 2 deer and an elk with monos this fall, 2 antelope and a deer with 156 bergers. The 122 monos going 3400fps and 156s going 3000-3150. I lost little meat from the 156s, 2x @ 200y, one at 580y. The monos ranged from 270-450 on deer, and the elk took 4 rounds at 580y. The monos worked efficiently on deer however elk I'd get a bigger bullet. I should have known better but I was confident in my skill and ability to put quick rounds on target. Which I needed. Next year I'll have a 9tw 30 cal set up for 198gr hammer super bulldozers from a 300 rum or norma imp.

Hammer super bulldozers?

 

[khuber84]

Hammer super bulldozers?

PVA 122 Cayuga in the 6.5 this year. Next year will be 195 30 cal g2 super b'dozer, and probably his new new g2 125s in 6.5mm.

 

[Laramie]

I'd be interested in hearing them. We have 3 rifle shot animals the last two years and a cumulative 30 gards of tracking.

My first was a deer I shot at just shy of 300 yards. I hit both lungs but no bone in or out. It acted like it wasn't hit at all. My shot was prone off of bipods so I felt very confident in my shot. There was about an inch of snow on the ground or I may have never found the deer. I followed it's tracks 135 yards. Not a single drop of blood. The entrance hole and exit hole were both very small and clogged so no blood could escape. I was done with them personally after that. My second experience was with a cow elk. Almost the exact same story but the cow died about 50 yards further. Through the years guiding I have seen them used quite a bit. They do kill but the energy transfer to the animal, when you don't hit significant bone, is minimal. There is a big difference in animal reaction and recovery distance in those instances. When clients hit the shoulder or caught ribs in and out, results were similar to bonder lead bullets.

I know some advances have been made to improve on the designs. However, all of the mono bullets have a velocity range they need to stay in to really open up. I shoot 30 cal rifles primarily and like to shoot longer ranges. A bonded lead bullet, in my situation, is just the right answer. They hold together very well on close range high velocity impacts but yet they will open up reliably on a 500 yards+ shots.

 

[khuber84]

My first was a deer I shot at just shy of 300 yards. I hit both lungs but no bone in or out. It acted like it wasn't hit at all. My shot was prone off of bipods so I felt very confident in my shot. There was about an inch of snow on the ground or I may have never found the deer. I followed it's tracks 135 yards. Not a single drop of blood. The entrance hole and exit hole were both very small and clogged so no blood could escape. I was done with them personally after that. My second experience was with a cow elk. Almost the exact same story but the cow died about 50 yards further. Through the years guiding I have seen them used quite a bit. They do kill but the energy transfer to the animal, when you don't hit significant bone, is minimal. There is a big difference in animal reaction and recovery distance in those instances. When clients hit the shoulder or caught ribs in and out, results were similar to bonder lead bullets.

I know some advances have been made to improve on the designs. However, all of the mono bullets have a velocity range they need to stay in to really open up. I shoot 30 cal rifles primarily and like to shoot longer ranges. A bonded lead bullet, in my situation, is just the right answer. They hold together very well on close range high velocity impacts but yet they will open up reliably on a 500 yards+ shots.

You're referring to solids?

 

[Laramie]

You're referring to solids?

One was a tsx and the other a gmx. Couple others used by hunters I can't remember the names of. Non lead bullets, any way you cut it, don't hit or expand like lead. Even the manufacturers of these bullets will admit that. A great friend of mine works for a large manufacturer in their engineering department. Their goal is to design mono bullets that hit like lead. The only reason they were designed is to comply with regulations all companies saw coming. California just lead the way. Others will follow unfortunately. Just a matter of time.

 

[sndmn11]

One was a tsx and the other a gmx. Couple others used by hunters I can't remember the names of. Non lead bullets, any way you cut it, don't hit or expand like lead. Even the manufacturers of these bullets will admit that. A great friend of mine works for a large manufacturer in their engineering department. Their goal is to design mono bullets that hit like lead. The only reason they were designed is to comply with regulations all companies saw coming. California just lead the way. Others will follow unfortunately. Just a matter of time.

I lied it is four animals in three years, the tracking distance is the same. My dad's mule deer this year was with the slowest lightest bullet of the bunch, 120gr trophy copper from a 20" 6.5cm, and that short blood trail in shoulder high sage was like someone was walking with a cap less gallon jug. None hit bone other than rib. I have always thought the pictures and data in this link were very intriguing. Ballistics Test: The Best Big Game Bullets (rifleshootermag.com)

 

[EastMT]

Because I’ve been a staunch Nosler Accubond fan for a few years now with tons of excellent results. Picked up a Christensen MPR in 6.5 PRC and located some factory ELD-X. I’ve read good things, and I’ve read bad things. Well, I now have a sample of one. This is entrance side on a 95 lb whitetail doe at 260 yards, and isn’t acceptable IMO. Shot placement was perfect about 2” behind the front shoulder. Somehow, the front shoulder on the entrance side was 80% destroyed and the off hand shoulder, even with a 4” exit hole behind the shoulder indicating she was nearly perfectly broadside, was 90% destroyed. Gelatinous meat. Incredibly, she ran 10-15 yards too. Which isn’t a big deal but bewildering.

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I have some 140 gr Accubonds coming from @Unknown Munitions , I need them ASAP! Will likely give the ELD-X one more opportunity before they arrive.

Yep, I bought a really fast gun, shooting long range bullets of a different brand, similar experience. I’ve gone partition or similar pretty much. I will be trying some hammers, bad experience with TSX after some good ones, so I’d like something with a sure collateral damage chance, less pencil chance.


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[RyanT26]

That is a impressive amount of damage. It does suck you lost the majority of the front quarters.