Grouping confusion?

[MT257]

So I’m confused by my grouping more so at longer distances. I can shoot my first group right in or around the bullseye. But then it seems I will be high in the following groups with maybe one arrow in and around the bull. I am shooting a hoyt rx-1 I have a bee stinger 8” stab and 27” Easton axis arrows. I don't know what is causing this or how to fix it.

 

[Fatcamp]

Same thing here. Decided I'm a crap archer.

 

[bsnedeker]

What kind of release are you using? I had a similar issue when I started out. Turned out that my wrist release was too loose so my first few shots would group together, and the others would group in another place as the release was pulled down more towards my hand. Make sure your release is tight and pull it as far forward (toward your hand) as possible before your first shot if this applies.

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[Gorp2007]

Is it first shots of the day or just first shots at that range? I've learned that if I'm not careful, it's easy to get lazy with my form on my first few shots until I get "warmed up." Might be you're dropping your bow arm trying to watch your arrows and as you get more comfortable you're holding steady and your arrows are hitting higher.

I never adjust my sight based on the first group of the day and I'm constantly working to make my first shot more consistent. Taking my first shot at 40 (personal max ethical range right now) instead of 20 seems to help force me to stay focused.

 

[MT257]

its not necessaely first shots, its more so first shots at a further distance. I have had the issue with both wrist release and thumb release.

 

[J86Warren]

Has this always happened to you or something new? My first guess would be a form of target panic, as in you pulling just before you release. Try making sure your focused on the target and not your pin as well. Of course it’s very hard to say without seeing someone shoot, but hope this helps

 

[5MilesBack]

Inconsistent anchor? Some sort of form issue.

 

[MT257]

Has this always happened to you or something new? My first guess would be a form of target panic, as in you pulling just before you release. Try making sure your focused on the target and not your pin as well. Of course it’s very hard to say without seeing someone shoot, but hope this helps

it seems to be new as of this year.

 

[wapitibob]

Lighting and release position are two things that will move your groups easily.

 

[Zac]

Your probably coming out of the bottom of your peep due to increased holding time and fatigue. You could do a few things to try to fix it. Get a back bar and play with position. Alot of info on the specifics so I won't get into that. Easier yet purchase a Bowmar nose button. Levi Morgan had the same issue and fixed it with the nose button. It allows you to realize when you begin to creep out of your peep.

 

[Rob5589]

Form.

 

[bwlacy]

Too much heel in the grip when fatigued?

I worry more about my first shot of the day. We don't usually get warm up shots on game.

 

[MT257]

Your probably coming out of the bottom of your peep due to increased holding time and fatigue. You could do a few things to try to fix it. Get a back bar and play with position. Alot of info on the specifics so I won't get into that. Easier yet purchase a Bowmar nose button. Levi Morgan had the same issue and fixed it with the nose button. It allows you to realize when you begin to creep out of your peep.

Can you explain coming out of the bottom of my peep?

 

[MT257]

Too much heel in the grip when fatigued?

I worry more about my first shot of the day. We don't usually get warm up shots on game.

too much heel as in pushing too much with like the thumb pad of my hand, on the mid to lower end of the grip?

 

[wapitibob]

Can you explain coming out of the bottom of my peep?

dropping your head down as you aim

 

[bwlacy]

too much heel as in pushing too much with like the thumb pad of my hand, on the mid to lower end of the grip?

Yes from your thumb pad down. I don't know your normal grip. I've seen lots of people when fatigued that push harder with the bow arm and put more pressure on the bottom of the grip, pushing shots high.

There are other good replies also. Hard to say without watching you shoot.

 

[Anozira]

Also helps to number your arrows somewhere so its easy to pick out a problem arrow. If most of your arrows group together but you have a consistant problem with #3 for example, then you know its not you.

 

[nphunter]

My son does the same thing at all distances, obviously, it's exaggerated at further distances. His issue is target panic, instead of pulling through the shot and focusing on the center, he is coming up on the target and firing when it gets centered, by the time his brain tells him to shoot he is already past center. He is shooting a hinge as well, if I get him to focus on the shot and pull through he executes great shots. When you are missing high try to start above the target and slowly come down from above the target, if all of a sudden you start missing low then it's most likely panic.

I put a Bomar button on my bow this year and it is great for consistency, I really like it for awkward shots where its easy to move your anchor, steep downhill and uphill. I do feel like my groups have shrunk at long range using the nose button. They are pretty inexpensive as well.