Gotta Love CA

[Muley Buck]

Los Padres has no fires? Weird the Dolan fire is over 100k acres and is in Los Padres right now. Closure isn’t to protect you, it’s to prevent more fires because we live in a society of retards that start fires easily. The Sabranes fire two years ago was started by some dumb Asian tourist that NEVER got caught but witnesses said they saw him flee the area - made an illegal camp fire and left it unattended and that fire killed one, took out 50+ homes. I don’t blame the forest service for shutting down all forest right now, they can’t afford another fire and can’t contain the ones we have now. Look for a re open soon though, the temps are dropping and RH levels rising fingers crossed!

Not trying to poke at you and I do understand what you mean and where you are coming from, but following that logic we should be shutting down the highway/freeway systems down as well. It too could /should be shut down due to the number of collisions and fatalities. More people die there than these fires will ever claim. Additionally it is not a right to drive but a privilege and yet that activity remains. It is a right we have to use our nations public lands.
Lastly, why only California National forests? Why not BLM land closures too? Is it not just as likely to burn? It doesn't make sense, but then again thats California I suppose.

 

[J Batt]

So I'm clear..... you don't want the govt to tell you when you can and can't recreate on land owned by them but you see it as a civil/human right that they provide you the same land?

This is the problem. People have forgot or never been taught what the chain of command is. It is supposed to be the Public at the top and the Government are our subordinates. They are our servants. We pay the USDA to manage the land, not the people.
EDIT The land is yours and mine. It is not “owned by them”

 

[Muley Buck]

Actually.....(c&p)
About 58 percent of the nation's forestland is privately owned, mostly by families and other individuals. The public owns the rest. About three-quarters of the public forestland is owned by the federal government, mostly in national forests, with the rest controlled by states, counties and local governments.


So since YOU own some of this land, what are YOU doing to protect it from this years unprecedented fire danger?

This discussion has never been about private forest land. That would be asinine to argue public rights on private land. Go ahead and close all the private, no arguements here.

I follow the rules, guidelines and laws when out recreating in our national forests. By doing so it in fact does prevent fires, which is why the rules, guidelines and laws are there in the first place.

 

[J Batt]

Los Padres has no fires? Weird the Dolan fire is over 100k acres and is in Los Padres right now. Closure isn’t to protect you, it’s to prevent more fires because we live in a society of retards that start fires easily. The Sabranes fire two years ago was started by some dumb Asian tourist that NEVER got caught but witnesses said they saw him flee the area - made an illegal camp fire and left it unattended and that fire killed one, took out 50+ homes. I don’t blame the forest service for shutting down all forest right now, they can’t afford another fire and can’t contain the ones we have now. Look for a re open soon though, the temps are dropping and RH levels rising fingers crossed!

I guess the difference between me and most is I am fine with nature taking it’s course. And I believe we are a part of nature, even a dumbass starting a fire. I don’t believe in preventing anyone from doing anything. Maybe more idiots would be weeded from the gene pool if we stopped protecting people from their own folly. I can’t control anyone but myself.
If the Forest Service can’t handle their load that’s fine with me. Doesn’t really concern me because I’m not employed by them and the woods by me are not on fire. If they were I wouldn’t need another man to tell me not to walk into the forest.
And if my house burns down in a forest fire I won’t blame anyone.

 

[backcountry_hunter]

"They" didn't provide it and "they" don't own it. "WE" did and "WE" do.

k....... grin

well on land that I personally own I have sold timber and leased out acreage to cattle farmers. I've gotten paid for that. Additionally I can come and go and hunt whatever/whenever I want assuming I'm complying with season and limit allocations set forth by the state (try that in a natl' park or NWR). I can have a campfire in extreme fire danger if I see fit (although I'll have to deal with the repercussions if it gets away). If I choose to sell it, I get the money. None of these things can I do on "my public lands" no matter how many public land owner t-shirts I wear to BHA pint nights (facetious of course, i don't drink or belong to bha).

Public land isn't a right, it's a privilege. An awesome one, but still a privilege. Ignoring simple requests like temporary closures for fire restrictions sure doesn't help anything except individual egos. Wildland guys, especially in urban interfaces and the LE that come along with that have a tough job, ignoring closures only magnifies the problem.

 

[spike camp]

This discussion has never been about private forest land. That would be asinine to argue public rights on private land. Go ahead and close all the private, no arguements here.

I follow the rules, guidelines and laws when out recreating in our national forests. By doing so it in fact does prevent fires, which is why the rules, guidelines and laws are there in the first place.

I know man, you’re clearly different than all the idiots out there.
You’re doing it right, but a big percentage doesn’t.

So then what?
Let that percentage F’ing start more fires, during one of the worst fire years on record, and when there is no personal to fight more fires?
Because, if the NF’s were open, it’s basically inevitable that new, devastating fires would break out.

Like the other dude ready to go to battle...there’s patriots and there’s just being part of the problem.

Our NF’s weren’t closed, only portions. But, I’ve been personally severely impacted by the closures, as well as a bunch of friends.
That said, I wish CO had closed the NF’s when we knew this summer was going to be bad.

It would have been the right thing to do.

 

[J Batt]

I know man, you’re clearly different than all the idiots out there.
You’re doing it right, but a big percentage doesn’t.

So then what?
Let that percentage F’ing start more fires, during one of the worst fire years on record, and when there is no personal to fight more fires?
Because, if the NF’s were open, it’s basically inevitable that new, devastating fires would break out.

Like the other dude ready to go to battle...there’s patriots and there’s just being part of the problem.

Our NF’s weren’t closed, only portions. But, I’ve been personally severely impacted by the closures, as well as a bunch of friends.
That said, I wish CO had closed the NF’s when we knew this summer was going to be bad.

It would have been the right thing to do.

So we should prevent the “idiots” from starting fires by banning access to the forest? Then shouldn’t we also ban guns so no idiots can use them to do harm on others?

 

[spike camp]

So we should prevent the “idiots” from starting fires by banning access to the forest? Then shouldn’t we also ban guns so no idiots can use them to do harm on others?

Not even close to apples to apples, unless you’re just trying to be part of the problem.

This year is unlike any other in recent memory, as far as fire danger, and extraordinary steps I believe, are in order to protect, from the extraordinary amount of dipshits driving around the west this year starting fires.
Additionally, CA is tapped as far as resources..if another big fire or two started ripping, they’d be F’ed.

 

[HighUintas]

I don't know why so many people have to jump straight into hating the people and government of California rather than show empathy for their houses and lives being in danger.

That is SAD

I'm bummed the place I like to hunt is burning. Would I be upset if they shut the NF down here? I'd be disappointed that my hunting plans would change, but I'd be extremely happy that they would be doing something to prevent the complete devastation of the forest in those mountains.

 

[J Batt]

The entire forest in my area burned during the Thomas fire. It’s now a Bitchin place to hunt. Easier to glass and move around. And I was hunting during the fire and using my own common sense to stay safe.
Didn’t need the USDA to hold my hand.

 

[J Batt]

Not even close to apples to apples, unless you’re just trying to be part of the problem.

This year is unlike any other in recent memory, as far as fire danger, and extraordinary steps I believe, are in order to protect, from the extraordinary amount of dipshits driving around the west this year starting fires.
Additionally, CA is tapped as far as resources..if another big fire or two started ripping, they’d be F’ed.

I understand that some of my views on freedom are extreme to the average person. But life is short and I won’t put mine on pause just because shit gets real. It’s times like these when I value my freedoms the most. My comparison may not sound apples to apples. But it is the exact same mindset, You want to control people around you to prevent “bad” things from happening. Here’s another one for you. Shouldn’t we limit peoples freedom of speech and ability to assemble so that we can stop these riots and get on with life?

 

[rooster440]

This is the problem. People have forgot or never been taught what the chain of command is. It is supposed to be the Public at the top and the Government are our subordinates. They are our servants. We pay the USDA to manage the land, not the people.
EDIT The land is yours and mine. It is not “owned by them”

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[J Batt]

If anyone feels the same as me call the forest service at 707-562-8995 and leave a message asking for Randy Moore. My buddy who works for the forest says that is the dude calling the shots, at least in SoCal.
My friend also said the people at his office have an elitist attitude and they call anyone like me who questions their mandates “one of those conservatives”. He is the only conservative in the office he works and hears this stuff all day. They intentionally make it hard to get a hold of anyone besides the front desk clerk, so that they don’t have to listen to the public.

 

[High Top Red]

Saw a pic of Cali today on another forum,This true?,must have been really weird to see this.View attachment 214175

Yes it’s definitely true.

 

[Deplorable77]

Thank you for posting that number. This douchebag has a message on his vm that he is very interested in hearing from you ONLY if you are a member of the media,and encourages media to leave him a message for call back. Everyone else should get online and find another means for contact. F this guy. My taxes pay for his disgusting paycheck.

If anyone feels the same as me call the forest service at 707-562-8995 and leave a message asking for Randy Moore. My buddy who works for the forest says that is the dude calling the shots, at least in SoCal.
My friend also said the people at his office have an elitist attitude and they call anyone like me who questions their mandates “one of those conservatives”. He is the only conservative in the office he works and hears this stuff all day. They intentionally make it hard to get a hold of anyone besides the front desk clerk, so that they don’t have to listen to the public.

 

[Matias]

Good ole Gruesome will have it open in not time. He makes no sense, which means it will be open by Monday.

 

[MattB]

So we should prevent the “idiots” from starting fires by banning access to the forest?

That is concept. Mother Nature has started perhaps the most fires we have seen in recorded time in CA and our resources are stretched thin fighting them. Due to COVID, we have more people in the forests than ever and many don't know the in's and out's of fire safety. Just recently ~200 people had to be rescued by helicopter from the Shaver Lake area. The unfortunate reality is that closing the forests it is an all or nothing proposition - they can't close it for everybody except for those who think they know better. Given the circumstances, I agree with the decision even if I do not like it.

 

[MattB]

Yes it’s definitely true.

Like I said above, my friend was hunting near Covelo earlier this week and it got too dark to see at 10:30AM - needed the headlights to drive, That picture above is nothing when compared to what those close to the fires are experiencing, That picture looks to be taken in San Francisco which is ~200 miles from the August complex fires. I live 45 miles on the other side of SF and it is dropping ash here.

 

[Matias]

That is concept. Mother Nature has started perhaps the most fires we have seen in recorded time in CA and our resources are stretched thin fighting them. Due to COVID, we have more people in the forests than ever and many don't know the in's and out's of fire safety. Just recently ~200 people had to be rescued by helicopter from the Shaver Lake area. The unfortunate reality is that closing the forests it is an all or nothing proposition - they can't close it for everybody except for those who think they know better. Given the circumstances, I agree with the decision even if I do not like it.

Problem is Mother nature didn't start it your wrong. The Shaver fire was a camper, el Dorado a moron with a baby reveal. Oregon has arson. My point was a simple sarcastic one, our governor is an idiot.

 

[Gobbler36]

California is terrible, if it burns to the ground it would be for the best.

Not really all those idiots will be flocking to everywhere else