Form, sight tape, tuning, or elevation issue?

[wayoh22]

Wanted to pose this question here and see if anyone could chime in.

Shot two TAC's this off-season and had the same issue pop up both times. Shot the same arrow and setup each time so nothing changed between both events

Before each shot I was shooting lights out. Couldn't have been more confident in my form and setup. Get to each TAC and then I'm shooting all over the place. The first TAC, I figured out on the first day that target under 60yds I had to add 3yds too and anything over 60 I had to subtrat 2yds from and over 100yds I had to subtract 3yds. The remaining of each event was a blast; 10 and 12 rings galore (not trying to gloat here). Same thing happens at the next TAC I go to...shooting prefectly before I get there but all over the next day.

My thoughts as to what could be the cause.

1. Form issue (edit) - could be, I use a nose button to have a consistent anchor
2. Sight tape issue - what exactly, I'm not sure seeing as the tape was accurate before I left.
3. Tuning issue - not my area of expertise
4. Elevation issue of being on a mountain vs sea level - this doesn't make much sense seeing as I had to add yardage but a factor I've faced beforehand

Any thoughts on to what could be the cause?

Setup:
Arrow: Easton Axis MG 300, 4 fletch AAE Max Stealth with a 2 degree helical, 100g point, 50g brass insert, standard x nock
Sight: Spot Hogg Fast Eddie XL with sight tape 18
Bow: Hoyt Carbon Defiant 34 @ 29/79lbs

 

[OR Archer]

Sounds more like a changing anchor point. See this all the time with people and shooting long distances they’ll adjust their anchor ever so slightly to get good peep/sight housing alignment. Combine that with uneven terrain it can have a negative impact on your shooting

 

[wayoh22]

Sounds more like a changing anchor point. See this all the time with people and shooting long distances they’ll adjust their anchor ever so slightly to get good peep/sight housing alignment. Combine that with uneven terrain it can have a negative impact on your shooting

I thought of this as well and it could very well be. I use a nose button so that it's always a constant anchor point with the string barely touching the corner of my mouth.

 

[DRP]

I’ve found lighting and the color of your target to be a factor on this as well. Some people (including me) tend to aim slightly different in low light vs bright and also tend to hold slightly low on bright targets.

 

[ZDR]

Footing can cause form issues when shooting longer distances as well. Trying to compensate for rough uneven ground throws off my form at times.

 

[doverpack12]

Considering it is TAC, are you drawing level after setting your feet and then pivoting hips while maintaining a tee with body and arms? Seems most likely since you are on and then the event triggers the change

 

[wayoh22]

Considering it is TAC, are you drawing level after setting your feet and then pivoting hips while maintaining a tee with body and arms? Seems most likely since you are on and then the event triggers the change

I set my feet first to how I'm going to make the shot. Draw back, set my anchor and level my bubble, pivot at the hip for whatever the angle may be and then pull through my shot. I really spent a lot of time perfecting my shot process this past year but it I think everyone is spot on with what is mentioned above. Looks like I have more work to do. Good.

 

[Samdemarais]

I set my feet first to how I'm going to make the shot. Draw back, set my anchor and level my bubble, pivot at the hip for whatever the angle may be and then pull through my shot. I really spent a lot of time perfecting my shot process this past year but it I think everyone is spot on with what is mentioned above. Looks like I have more work to do. Good.

I would recommend listening to the podcast on bow junky with Tim gillingham called cutting yardage, it’s gold. At TAC my tape was 1.5-2 yards hot on everything so I was cutting yards on every shot, 79 I would set tape to 77. How did your draw length feel when aiming up or down hill? Could be a minor draw length issue that’s showing it’s head when shooting at angles? Also, at what distance did you set your peep height? If your going to an event like TAC you might want to set your peep height when shooting at 50 yards or so.

 

[Marble]

Wanted to pose this question here and see if anyone could chime in.

Shot two TAC's this off-season and had the same issue pop up both times. Shot the same arrow and setup each time so nothing changed between both events

Before each shot I was shooting lights out. Couldn't have been more confident in my form and setup. Get to each TAC and then I'm shooting all over the place. The first TAC, I figured out on the first day that target under 60yds I had to add 3yds too and anything over 60 I had to subtrat 2yds from and over 100yds I had to subtract 3yds. The remaining of each event was a blast; 10 and 12 rings galore (not trying to gloat here). Same thing happens at the next TAC I go to...shooting prefectly before I get there but all over the next day.

My thoughts as to what could be the cause.

1. Form issue (edit) - could be, I use a nose button to have a consistent anchor
2. Sight tape issue - what exactly, I'm not sure seeing as the tape was accurate before I left.
3. Tuning issue - not my area of expertise
4. Elevation issue of being on a mountain vs sea level - this doesn't make much sense seeing as I had to add yardage but a factor I've faced beforehand

Any thoughts on to what could be the cause?

Setup:
Arrow: Easton Axis MG 300, 4 fletch AAE Max Stealth with a 2 degree helical, 100g point, 50g brass insert, standard x nock
Sight: Spot Hogg Fast Eddie XL with sight tape 18
Bow: Hoyt Carbon Defiant 34 @ 29/79lbs

1. Sea level or altitude will not make significant difference. Extreme temperature changes could but probably not.

2. Nerves could affect anything. That's up to you. People do all sorts of stuff and competitive shoots. All aspects of someone shot process can get fouled up.


3. Your peep size could br something to consider. Not only in relation to your scope housing, but understanding how the size affects the light coming through the peep and how it affects your shot, clarity of pins and ability to see optimally. At TAC, there are lots of varying light conditions.

4. Draw length difference shooting at angles. When shooting at extreme angles or even moderate ones, your anchor can and will change and your draw length will change depending on your footing. Being aware how the angles affect your draw length and anchor is super important.

5. My suggestions is to shoot more 3d courses with angles and varying yardage. Shoot the same one over and over and take notes. Doing this increased my scores significantly.

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[wayoh22]

I would recommend listening to the podcast on bow junky with Tim gillingham called cutting yardage, it’s gold. At TAC my tape was 1.5-2 yards hot on everything so I was cutting yards on every shot, 79 I would set tape to 77. How did your draw length feel when aiming up or down hill? Could be a minor draw length issue that’s showing it’s head when shooting at angles? Also, at what distance did you set your peep height? If your going to an event like TAC you might want to set your peep height when shooting at 50 yards or so.

I will be listening to that today, thanks. And draw length felt comfortable as far as I can tell. My peep was set at 60yds. Last year, I did the same thing and had no issues except that in Utah I had to cut a yard or 2 due to elevation. The only difference would be that I moved from a 31.5ATA bow to a 34ATA so maybe that plays a part.

 

[wayoh22]

1. Sea level or altitude will not make significant difference. Extreme temperature changes could but probably not.

2. Nerves could affect anything. That's up to you. People do all sorts of stuff and competitive shoots. All aspects of someone shot process can get fouled up.


3. Your peep size could br something to consider. Not only in relation to your scope housing, but understanding how the size affects the light coming through the peep and how it affects your shot, clarity of pins and ability to see optimally. At TAC, there are lots of varying light conditions.

4. Draw length difference shooting at angles. When shooting at extreme angles or even moderate ones, your anchor can and will change and your draw length will change depending on your footing. Being aware how the angles affect your draw length and anchor is super important.

5. My suggestions is to shoot more 3d courses with angles and varying yardage. Shoot the same one over and over and take notes. Doing this increased my scores significantly.

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Agreed, at TAC Utah last year I had to cut a yard or 2 at a much much higher elevation compared to sea level. I will have to tinker with the peep sizes, never would have thought of that. Appreciate such a well thought out response. Just wish there was 3D around me.