Dog passed out

[Gobbler36]

I hated reading your post due to the horrible memory it brought back. My weimaraner was only five when one day we left for our run. He made two hundred yards and stopped. For those that know the breed knows that him stopping after only two hundred yards means something is wrong. I gave him a minute and nothing seemed wrong other than he didn't want to run. So i turned around and headed back home, fifty yards later he went stiff reared up and went over backwards. He was dead in seconds.

No real answer to why, but a month prior the vet said he had a slight heart murmur but not to worry. The only other thing about that day is he had just ate before we headed out the door. My friend which has been a vet for over thirty years suspected his stomach flipped.

Said all that to ask is your pup having these episodes right after his meal?

Had a 5mth old shorthair that died in this manner so the trainer says while me and the family were out of town, said she was running heard a squeal and was stone dead in the snow nothing around her no explanation. Still to this day don’t know what happened

 

[kwackkillncrew]

What kind of dog food is it eating?

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[loggerchas]

Asked my wife, a veteran of 14 years in a busy veterinary clinic locally. She suggested a full blood workup by a good vet - many seizures in dogs are triggered by protein levels (too high) and it is possible that the exercise relates to a threshold level that is causing the issue.

 

[MuleyFever]

My dog is on Taste of the Wild but I started the switch to PPP Sunday.

Blood work after the first episode didn’t find anything obvious. If I remember right red blood cell count was a little high but he was likely slightly dehydrated. He had been crated for about 4 hours prior and didn’t drink anything. Our vet said his first guess was a seizure.

 

[dr.mooseknuckles]

dr.moosenuckles...would you recommend my Brussels not have a grain-free diet?

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Possibly. But you need to look at the ingredients list on the back of the bag. If lentils and chickpeas (the two culprits associated with taurine deficiency) are in the top 10 ingredients (they are listed from highest concentration to lowest), you need to pick another diet.

 

[Scrappy]

Had a 5mth old shorthair that died in this manner so the trainer says while me and the family were out of town, said she was running heard a squeal and was stone dead in the snow nothing around her no explanation. Still to this day don’t know what happened

If my memory serves me correctly you posted this on here when it happened. Really sucks loosing a pup.

In my case my breeder which is good friends with my wife felt somehow responsible for my pup dying and finally convinced me to take a pup from her this past winter for free. Murphy is just like my last two male weimaraners, plum full of personality.

 

[ebonnette0118]

Possibly. But you need to look at the ingredients list on the back of the bag. If lentils and chickpeas (the two culprits associated with taurine deficiency) are in the top 10 ingredients (they are listed from highest concentration to lowest), you need to pick another diet.

Lentils and peas in the top 10...I guess it's time to find an alternative. Any recommendations for small breeds?

Taste of the Wild Appalachian Valley ingredients:
Venison, lamb meal, garbanzo beans, peas, lentils, pea protein, canola oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product, duck meal, pea flour, tomato pomace, natural flavor, ocean fish meal, salt, choline chloride, taurine, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium animalis fermentation product, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
Contains a source of live (viable), naturally occurring microorganisms.


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[Falcon1]

I have a Husky/Shepherd mix that has epilepsy. He stumbles around and can’t get right for 2-10 mins during a seizure then shortly after he acts like nothing happened. I have to hold him so he doesn’t try to get up and hurt himself. He gets a very small dose of phenobarbital twice a day with his breakfast and dinner, and doesn’t seem to have any other issues. After a couple years of no issues we weened him off the pills and he immediately had 2 seizures in 2 months. That was in Feb/March and not one issue since then now that he is back on the meds. We do have to get blood work and his liver function tested a couple times a year due to the meds, but he is on such a low dose the results have always come back perfect.

 

[mcr-85]

My sister had a red heeler cow dog that had a short lived habit of biting horses rear feet. After a couple kicks to the skull she quit doing that. After the last kick to the noggin, that we figured killed her, she seized up. She came out of it and was ok. Anytime after that though whenever she'd get excited she'd seize up. Unfortunately for her, she'd get excited chasing cows, seize and get stomped a little. She lived through it all and died of old age.

 

[durangobrad]

Has anyone looked at your pup's heart?

My 7yr old lab, fed grain free his entire life. Started passing out when he'd get worked up. After about the 5th time we took him to the vet. They diagnosed him with heart disease and put him on some meds right away to get the fluid from his lungs.

Two days later we drove 7 hrs to see a cardiologist, first appointment / soonest we could get him in.

He was diagnosed with dcm in May of last year. Takes a bunch of meds, taurine supplement, and changed diet to PPP.

Doc said if it was hereditary heart dicease he probably only had 4-6 months to live. But if it was diet related he could live longer and could even make a full recovery. That was 14 months ago and he's doing pretty well.



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[dr.mooseknuckles]

Nutro has some good products if you're looking to try less grain related. I've got my dog on a senior Nutro diet that she likes and checks all of the boxes. She's not a small breed though, more like medium Standard Poodle.

 

[TheGDog]

Had your dog ever had a lung infection beforehand? If you yourself have ever had chronic bronchitis, you know the sound of when it's a deep bronchial cough. My Rat Terrier Brizzy just recently (6-24-2020)
had to be put down after just shy of 15 yrs.

In 2011 she'd caught a harsh lung infection that required they keep her their and on an IV for a tougher antibiotic to combat it. Had to be from the Dog Park. They had to do a lavage to get a culture from the lungs. (shoot saline solution down in there, swoosh it around, suck it back out, inspect in microscope)

When the coughing jags would happen, they'd often end with them motioning like they are going to hack up something at the end, and sometimes they do hack up something that just looks like either a phlegm lining or a small amount of stomach lining.

Fast forward a bit... she starts having one of those fatty lumps on the side of her ribcage. Also docs telling me she could be in beginnings of cushings disease. Which is a thing which affects their metabolic rate and hormone levels (cortisol) being a little amped up. But for a Rat Terrier you're like, when are they not? Ya know?

In this last year or so... when the carcinoma ulcerative tumors started to form on the outside of her body and then began to weep/bleed... their started to reappear, and then become a greater frequency of the occasional deep coughing jags with that deep bronchial sound. Just like when that lung infection had occurred back in 2011. So my assumption was that with all this taxing on her body (she lost like 30% body weight by the end) probably weakened her heart. People can cough like that when they are having issues with their heart weakening. It helps with re-correcting your heart rhythm and from the lower circulation fluid can pool a lil bit at bottom of lungs, causing the irritation to invoke the cough. And I know that because I just lived thru it with COVID from 2nd week in Feb thru til end of March.

I'd say check heart, then secondarily check for lung infection. But if it was a lung infection you'd know because the coughing would eventually become non-stop.And she wouldn't even accept RibEye directly from my fingers!

Hope it works out for you.

 

[bowieknife50]

I'd say that just listening to a heart it's difficult to get a full picture of what's going on. It would be beneficial to go somewhere they can actually do an echo and ECG full cardio workup. Epilepsy could be sure. When I read it the first time I thought it said the two events were only a day apart and i thought sure a foreign body in the throat. Read a case report that sounded exactly like that and the dog had swallowed a marble that intermittently got lodged right in the airway. But if it's far apart episodes probably not. Go get a full heart work up at a specialist. Also ask them if they have a Halter monitor. Basically a wearable ECG that he can have in for a few days to catch things that don't happen constantly. I put one on my dog when i was in school to help with a research project one of the girls was doing. Pretty fascinating to see normal hearts do weird stuff once every 2-3 days.


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[kwackkillncrew]

my wife is a vet and she said that you should definitely have their heart looked at. There are numerous brands of dog food, taste of the wild is one that causes dilated cardiomyopathy