Dangerous Factory Ammunition (WWYD?)

[mi650]

Did you really shoot ALL of them once the first primer blew?!

Of course, gotta test them!


There were 5 of us shooting, nobody noticed that anything was off until we were halfway thru the 2nd box when one missed the net.

 

[TxLite]

First box of 7mm-08 i bought for my wifes rifle was a hornaday something or other, not sure what series they were. 139gr and had 3-4 out of 20 blow the primer out.
all other Hornaday rounds we have shot through it were fine.

Sounds like superformance. I blew primers in my AR10 with the 7-08 superformance. After 3 or so blown primers I just pulled the rest of the bullets.

 

[LTonlino]

Honestly, I hadn't though about this aspect of the issue. Here's the details.

The ammo is Nosler-brand "Trophy Grade Long-Range Ammunition" in 28 Nosler, 175gr ABLR. The lot number is 1838813/2237 (on the back, above the barcode). Purchased from Midway. This ammunition should NOT be fired.

I've been in contact with Nosler. I'll keep this thread updated as the issue moves forward w/ them.

I did not open/disassemble the ammunition. I threw the remaining 16 loaded rounds on a scale. We have a few other boxes (not sure of the lot yet) that I'm going to weigh as well.

Would you mind posting the actual weight? I have 6 boxes of the same exact ammo.

 

[wind gypsy]

Nosler has used different brass manufacturers in the past and I could see having mixed brass accounting for an 11 grain total cartridge weight difference but not nearly 600 FPS velocity difference! Sounds like some of those cases are overcharged.

My very limited experience with nosler was very accurate 300wsm factory loads but there sure seems to be a lot of stories of people having bad results with some of the ammo they put out. Pair that with the premium they charge, i wouldn't ever recommend someone buy it.

 

[Mtnmilsurp]

Nosler has used different brass manufacturers in the past and I could see having mixed brass accounting for an 11 grain total cartridge weight difference but not nearly 600 FPS velocity difference! Sounds like some of those cases are overcharged.

My very limited experience with nosler was very accurate 300wsm factory loads but there sure seems to be a lot of stories of people having bad results with some of the ammo they put out. Pair that with the premium they charge, i wouldn't ever recommend someone buy it.

Even if it’s only the brass that’s heavier and charges are the same wouldn’t pressure be a lot higher due to smaller case capacity? I think I see this with some of my handloads.

 

[wind gypsy]

Even if it’s only the brass that’s heavier and charges are the same wouldn’t pressure be a lot higher due to smaller case capacity? I think I see this with some of my handloads.

Definitely would expect a notable difference but not near enough to cause 580 FPS difference.

 

[Chazman253]

Throw it away.

 

[gelton]

I had a box of Swift Scirrocos where about 60% of them resulted in blown primers. No damage to the gun but never bought them again.

 

[ID_Matt]

I sometimes wonder if a warning should be on the box saying something along the lines of, if blown primers, heavy ejector marks, heavy bolt lift, excessive recoil, velocity, etc. is observed, quit shooting.

 

[TxLite]

I sometimes wonder if a warning should be on the box saying something along the lines of, if blown primers, heavy ejector marks, heavy bolt lift, excessive recoil, velocity, etc. is observed, quit shooting.

Probably a waste of ink

 

[notamos]

Remaining ammo boxed up. Will be shipped back to Nosler in the morning so their engineering department can analyze it.

 

[notamos]

Would you mind posting the actual weight? I have 6 boxes of the same exact ammo.

You have ammo from the same lot? The "good" rounds weigh ~517gr. The heavy rounds are ~528gr.

I've weighed all rounds from 3 boxes of this stuff and the 517gr was consistent. I weighed several other boxes/lots as well. Although the weights are very uniform in the boxes, total weights very significantly from lot to lot. Different brass? Powder? Etc?

 

[Pharmseller]

I hope you shipped it “signature required.”

Just saying.




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[Duh]

Just picked up 3 boxes of nosler 22-250 ammo because brass was non existent. Just went to shoot them and had a little over 200fps spread. Didn’t find pressure but the ammo shot horribly. I’ll weigh the empty cases and remaining live ammo when I get home.

 

[DuckDogDr]

Remington ammo did the same to a friend of a friend supposedly (I wasn’t there)…
They covered having his gun fixed

 

[notamos]

Update! Nosler has issued a recall. https://www.nosler.com/product-recalls.html

 

[Marble]

I would actually keep a few of the heavy rounds in case a 3rd party needs to verify. Nosler could get then and say they are all fine and never give them back. Then all the evidence is in the hands of the accused.

I think better of nosler based on the past quality of their products, but they will think about covering their butts.

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[Marble]

Update! Nosler has issued a recall. https://www.nosler.com/product-recalls.html

Well maybe my above comment was a little premature...
I hope it all works out.

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[100percent]

I’m kinda curious. A grain of powder in a compressed 30/06 load will push the average fps up around 90. To be that much faster, in a similarly loaded caliber with a compressed load, you’d had to been 8-10 grains heavy.


I’m sure factory ammo isn’t compressed as frequently as handloads in certain calibers. But, my dad made this point to me 35 years ago when I started handloading. A compressed load prevents over charging. And, anytime in any caliber, that you are shooting loaded rounds that aren’t compressed, you run this risk.

Just FYI

Thanks for sharing. Great advice! Lucky to receive the same and kept me out of trouble, too!

 

[Thinkingman]

I'm a little late to this party but I had two case head separations with Hornady 9mm defense ammo and when I contacted them, they really didn't care.
28 Nosler pressures are obviously a different story.