Cyanide use for predator control

[ganguscows]

If only they would do more to get rid of the damn wild horses and donkey's decimated the landscape

 

[Reburn]

I so very wish that it was this simple. Most of our beef is not staying here

Glad I didnt have to prove you wrong here.

and the beef that is, it is being marked up and middle men are raking the profits.

An so are the producers. Beef continues on an all time high trend.

 

[ThunderJack49]

We are way off topic here but I personally think ranchers get way too much credit for how “hard” they work. A significant portion of them in my community are constantly playing that card as if nobody else in the community has ever got dirt on their hands before.
Comparing it to a guy starting a construction company from scratch or a mechanics shop or any other trade from the ground up, ranching looks pretty nice.
Not to mention the generational wealth to start off.
And before people loose their minds, I have friends that are ranchers and I buy all my beef local.
But yeah, not that has anything to do with poison on public land.

 

[Reburn]

Not to mention the generational wealth to start off.

Do you understand inheritance tax and how it affects ranches?

 

[Hnthrdr]

We are way off topic here but I personally think ranchers get way too much credit for how “hard” they work. A significant portion of them in my community are constantly playing that card as if nobody else in the community has ever got dirt on their hands before.
Comparing it to a guy starting a construction company from scratch or a mechanics shop or any other trade from the ground up, ranching looks pretty nice.
Not to mention the generational wealth to start off.
And before people loose their minds, I have friends that are ranchers and I buy all my beef local.
But yeah, not that has anything to do with poison on public land.

Yeah I’d say you don’t know much about generational ranches and wealth… my wife is 6th generation pioneer / ranching family from northern Az, they are extremely poor, hence why the ranch went from 6500 acres to a remaining 700, and is hanging on by a thread. Ironically her Dad’s side of the family are in construction and they now have a giant ranch because they are fantastic places to hide money and write off taxes but they are not fantastic places to make money most of the time… a bad year or two and you might be cooked

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

Glad I didnt have to prove you wrong here.



An so are the producers. Beef continues on an all time high trend.

All the more reason to end the subsidies, but that is not the point of this thread. The topic has to do with the use of cyanide traps. I challenge you to give one example of how and why they should be on public land?

Also, why have grazing prices not been adjusted? Why are landowners ruining public ground? Why are hunters defending sheep producers when they impact the species we hunt more than any predator ever could. As someone who grew up on a farm and was a government trapper. These pity the landowner/coyotes are the devil posts are clearly depicting why folks vote Democrat.

 

[Coyote Commander]

Lots of ignorance on this subject. Which isn’t surprising as M44s are a very misunderstood tool. The medias partially to blame, using phrases like “poison bombs”. It’s a lot like “assault rifle” and “mass shooter”.


I saw comments to the effect that M44s are indiscriminate. This is unequivocally false.

Of the tools actually effective at reducing coyote numbers, and keeping them suppressed, M44s are as canine specific as they get. You could argue this, but you’d be wrong.

Why use M44s?

A man good at his job uses all the tools at his disposal. You can use a pipe wrench to pound in a nail. But a hammer works better. If your job is coyote control, an M44 is a tool that fills a situational need. An M44 can take more weather easier than a foothold trap, which is beneficial especially in wet, freeze/thaw spring weather. And it can be used places a snare cannot. What’s more, M44s are easier to use IN livestock while still remaining operational.

There are 27 federal use restrictions pertaining to the use of M44s which ALL users must follow. Things like the number which may be set in a given area, setbacks to public roads and trails, signage not only at access points in an area containing M44s, but signage AT each individual device.

Do they belong on public land?

I say yes. Not all public land is equal. That’s where the common sense and judgement of the applicator comes in. There is most definitely public lands they should not ever be considered, but on the flip side there are lands they can be used safely and to great effect.

Here’s the real deal. If M44s were truly a problem, they’d have been banned long ago.

There’s more people on the landscape than there’s ever been, and most don’t realize it, but there’s a lot of M44 usage out there, and you never know it, because they’re used effectively and responsibly and never become an issue.


I also saw a comment on the indiscriminate nature of a snare I’d like to address.

Yes there is a threat to smaller ungulates with irresponsible snare usage.

However, modern snare equipment and tactics have grown by leaps and bounds over the last 40 years. Breakaway devices, better locks and components, etc. These aren’t your grand dads snares.

But, even if care is taken accidents happen.

You know what also accidentally kills tens of thousands of deer and antelope annually that nobody says boo about? Vehicles.

It’s important to note that nobody is out there intentionally snaring deer just as nobody (well, rarely) is intentionally hitting deer with a car. Both are accidents.

And I’ll also add, if you hit a deer with a vehicle, you’ve simply killed a deer.

If one snares a deer while also snaring 50, 100, 200 coyotes, how many deer have they potentially saved?

 

[Outlaw99]

Crickets……lol

 

[Outlaw99]

This thread like so many others is akin to giving out plumbing advise on a boiler install because you once replaced a supply line to your toilet.