Covid in the Colorado Backcountry

[jmez]

So a hunter gets COVID from any number of ordinary places (e.g., airplane traveling to hunting destination, grocery store, work, church, spouse, etc.) and passes it to his hunting partner and all of sudden we have an "outbreak" on our hands that requires governmental intervention? That overly broad definition and the government's unwillingness to disclose the numbers tells reasonable people exactly how little we should care...now, for the fun police in their echo chambers, this is just more evidence that we all need to be on lock down.

Except that now some leading scientists, you know believe the scientists, at the WHO are calling for an end to lockdowns. So there's that.

 

[JPD350]

Probably people from New Mexico bringing it to CO. They are scared to death of getting a dust particle in their mouth in that state.

Are you kidding me, when is the last time you have been here? most people are eating dust for breakfast......

 

[JPD350]

I find the hypocrisy that everyone is a super spreader except for all the people who want to protest, riot or celebrate a basketball win extremely nauseating!

 

[jmez]

The situation all the way around is nauseating.

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[JLane330]

Probably people from New Mexico bringing it to CO. They are scared to death of getting a dust particle in their mouth in that state.

Lol...that's just our idiot Governor and her ultra-liberal followers. This has been an incredibly frustrating year with her in charge of this place.

 

[Marbles]

One of them involved 10 people in Routt County.

CPW issues hunter safety recommendations for COVID-19

Even though public health experts acknowledge that outside activities with social distance are a relatively safe environment from COVID-19, Colorado Parks and Wildlife has nonetheless released a list of recommendations

www.coloradopolitics.com

None of the articles I can find are saying don't go hunting, only that precautions should be taken. I'm sure if the exact camps and camp operators where identified the outcry would then be that CO Parks and Wildlife was targeting these individual operators and should have shown more discretion.

Except that now some leading scientists, you know believe the scientists, at the WHO are calling for an end to lockdowns. So there's that.

Can you provide a source for this other than a Trump tweet? I cannot find where the WHO has called "for an end to lockdowns." I can find where it is stated that lockdowns should not be the primary means of control and are only a tool to buy time while other resources are fleshed out. The difference between these two things is huge.

Once again, I will point out that nothing I could find discussing hunting and COVID in CO called for lockdowns, at least not in relation to these outbreaks. So, not only does this appear to be creating a straw man argument, it is an argument that is loosing to the straw man as well even while engaging in French military marksmanship (where you shoot, then pick the bullseye based on where the most rounds hit) in an attempt to get an advantage.

 

[WCB]

Funny you don't see it plastered everywhere that the almighty organizations that f'd everyoe over for the last 6months or so are now recommending ended lockdowns and top doctors/scientist are stating the new round of the virus is potentially less deadly. It is already over 99% survivability wtf...this world just has nothing else to do than mull over pointless crap and give in to the emotional mental midgets.

 

[Vandy321]

So a hunter gets COVID from any number of ordinary places (e.g., airplane traveling to hunting destination, grocery store, work, church, spouse, etc.) and passes it to his hunting partner and all of sudden we have an "outbreak" on our hands that requires governmental intervention? That overly broad definition and the government's unwillingness to disclose the numbers tells reasonable people exactly how little we should care...now, for the fun police in their echo chambers, this is just more evidence that we all need to be on lock down.

probably not from air travel...at least if you believe the numbers.

IATA released a report recently, 1.2 billion people have traveled on an airline in 2020...with 44 cases reported of confirmed, probable or potential transmission associated with a flight.

that is 1 case for every 27 million traveling passengers.

 

[MattB]

Can you provide a source for this other than a Trump tweet? I cannot find where the WHO has called "for an end to lockdowns." I can find where it is stated that lockdowns should not be the primary means of control and are only a tool to buy time while other resources are fleshed out. The difference between these two things is huge.

Check out the Great Barrington Declaration. I do not think it is related to WHO and it may not be what is referenced here, but it is interesting and I hope it gains traction.

 

[Newtosavage]

Goin' solo again this year. Don't plan on being close to ANYONE for 2 weeks. LOL

My worst fear right now is that I get it between now and when I leave.

BTW, (dons flameproof suit...) for all the macho "not skeert" folks, It's one thing to not care if you get sick. Nobody really cares if you do. It's something else entirely if you don't care if you get others sick.

 

[KHNC]

Are you kidding me, when is the last time you have been here? most people are eating dust for breakfast......

Three weeks ago actually. All the locals wearing masks and afraid any outsiders were going to kill them.

 

[Marbles]

Check out the Great Barrington Declaration. I do not think it is related to WHO and it may not be what is referenced here, but it is interesting and I hope it gains traction.

Thanks for referencing that, I was not aware of it. What follows is my initial reaction after reading it. Like most initial reactions, I can see where I use the declaration to confirm positions I already hold while pushing back against points that contradict my current positions. I would need more than just the declarations to change my mind as most of my positions are based on examining evidence. Experts can be wrong, the why behind their opinions means more to me than the opinion itself. Of course, sometimes I don't have time, the knowledge and/or care enough about an issue, so I will accept expert opinions at face value. For me, SARS COV 2 is not one of those times.

The Great Barrington Declaration makes several valid points, it also glosses over several complexities. As just two examples. I'm someone who would be considered low risk, however, my work frequently puts me in contact with high risk individuals, should I completely go about my life as normal? Another complication, we don't understand how immunity works with this virus very well and there is evidence (though inconclusive) that lasting immunity may not be created. Even in diseases where lasting immunity is created herd immunity does not get high enough to stop the spread (at least the examples I'm aware of) in the abscess of vaccination.

That said, the Declaration is absolutely correct about the cost of lockdowns. Measures should be planed for sustainability, some spread must be accepted, and some people will die as a result. As a country, and the individual systems within it, the time bought with lockdowns has not been used as well as it should have been and sustainable interventions have suffered as a result.

The conversations that need to be had are hard. It reminds me of end of life discussions where "do everything" is wrong, but "just euthanize them" is also wrong. We don't know enough to get the answers perfect, but we know enough to do better than the current debate within this country.

The ideas in the declaration, to me, do not represent an end point, rather they are a compass bearing to be included in the complex task of navigation.

 

[CorbLand]

People are so scared to die, they’ve voluntarily stopped living.

It’s Sad where we headed


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More like 99% of people are scared of getting a cold, that they are giving up living.

 

[Wyomuleskinner]

ya it's real bad out here. Most of my buddies that have went out hunting came back with carona virus.

 

[DudeBro]

Thanks for referencing that, I was not aware of it. What follows is my initial reaction after reading it. Like most initial reactions, I can see where I use the declaration to confirm positions I already hold while pushing back against points that contradict my current positions. I would need more than just the declarations to change my mind as most of my positions are based on examining evidence. Experts can be wrong, the why behind their opinions means more to me than the opinion itself. Of course, sometimes I don't have time, the knowledge and/or care enough about an issue, so I will accept expert opinions at face value. For me, SARS COV 2 is not one of those times.

The Great Barrington Declaration makes several valid points, it also glosses over several complexities. As just two examples. I'm someone who would be considered low risk, however, my work frequently puts me in contact with high risk individuals, should I completely go about my life as normal? Another complication, we don't understand how immunity works with this virus very well and there is evidence (though inconclusive) that lasting immunity may not be created. Even in diseases where lasting immunity is created herd immunity does not get high enough to stop the spread (at least the examples I'm aware of) in the abscess of vaccination.

That said, the Declaration is absolutely correct about the cost of lockdowns. Measures should be planed for sustainability, some spread must be accepted, and some people will die as a result. As a country, and the individual systems within it, the time bought with lockdowns has not been used as well as it should have been and sustainable interventions have suffered as a result.

The conversations that need to be had are hard. It reminds me of end of life discussions where "do everything" is wrong, but "just euthanize them" is also wrong. We don't know enough to get the answers perfect, but we know enough to do better than the current debate within this country.

The ideas in the declaration, to me, do not represent an end point, rather they are a compass bearing to be included in the complex task of navigation.

Your thoughts largely echo mine (even your points about confirmation bias and not blindly believing articles).

For 7 months, the attitude of most governmental decision makers in this country has been one of accepting zero risk as it pertains to COVID exposure...essentially taking on a "wait it out" defense. I’ve heard almost nobody discussing reasonable precautions to balance other types of risk - degraded education in a virtual environment, mental health risk, economic risk, social development risk, etc. I keep asking the questions: what if COVID doesn’t go away, and infection and fatality rates stay the same; will my kids finish the next 6-10 years of their public education at home, will Boy Scouts be virtual forever, will our youth never be able to participate in team sports and other group activities?

It’s about time our so-called leaders have serious discussions about a wholistic risk calculus, stop pandering to political bases, and allow us to get on with our lives while mitigating/managing risks.

 

[5MilesBack]

probably not from air travel...at least if you believe the numbers.

IATA released a report recently, 1.2 billion people have traveled on an airline in 2020...with 44 cases reported of confirmed, probable or potential transmission associated with a flight.

that is 1 case for every 27 million traveling passengers.

The problem though......is that the so-called experts also say that it can take several days for people to show any signs of it or even test positive from an exposure. So given that alone, it makes it almost impossible to know for sure just where someone might have gotten it.

 

[JPD350]

Three weeks ago actually. All the locals wearing masks and afraid any outsiders were going to kill them.

You must have really got around to be such an expert! you think maybe you should have spent more time hunting instead of doing a comprehensive statewide study of what "all" NM's think? I hope you studied elk hunting a little better and was successful.
FYI we have some awesome squirrel hunting.........

 

[MattB]

The problem though......is that the so-called experts also say that it can take several days for people to show any signs of it or even test positive from an exposure. So given that alone, it makes it almost impossible to know for sure just where someone might have gotten it.

The stat includes probable and potential transmissions, it is not intended to determine just where someone might have gotten it.

 

[Farmingdale's Finest]

One of them involved 10 people in Routt County.

CPW issues hunter safety recommendations for COVID-19

Even though public health experts acknowledge that outside activities with social distance are a relatively safe environment from COVID-19, Colorado Parks and Wildlife has nonetheless released a list of recommendations

www.coloradopolitics.com

None of the articles I can find are saying don't go hunting, only that precautions should be taken. I'm sure if the exact camps and camp operators where identified the outcry would then be that CO Parks and Wildlife was targeting these individual operators and should have shown more discretion.



Can you provide a source for this other than a Trump tweet? I cannot find where the WHO has called "for an end to lockdowns." I can find where it is stated that lockdowns should not be the primary means of control and are only a tool to buy time while other resources are fleshed out. The difference between these two things is huge.

Once again, I will point out that nothing I could find discussing hunting and COVID in CO called for lockdowns, at least not in relation to these outbreaks. So, not only does this appear to be creating a straw man argument, it is an argument that is loosing to the straw man as well even while engaging in French military marksmanship (where you shoot, then pick the bullseye based on where the most rounds hit) in an attempt to get an advantage.

No freaking way it was Routt County! Don't tell my wife or I will never go again. We were supposed to be near Steamboat.

 

[Squincher]

Goin' solo again this year. Don't plan on being close to ANYONE for 2 weeks. LOL

My worst fear right now is that I get it between now and when I leave.

BTW, (dons flameproof suit...) for all the macho "not skeert" folks, It's one thing to not care if you get sick. Nobody really cares if you do. It's something else entirely if you don't care if you get others sick.

You forgot to screech "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??!!!???"