Black Gold Ascent sight tape issues

[Brock A]

Quick question for you BG users. I have been shooting the ascent for about a year now. Gone through multiple "sight ins" which required a new sight tape for dialing my yardage. Never had an issue. Always been spot on. Well I just got new strings and went through my 20-60 pins and I am getting great groups. I put my corresponding sight tape on, dial down to 70 and my group is 6" to 8" high. Is this tuning issue?

 

[mtbshark]

If you are consistently center and high at 70, my bet it's your 60 is a tad high as well. You probably need different tape.

 

[Justin Crossley]

Ask Roid. I hear that he is an archery expert.

 

[robby denning]

I'm going to get you in touch with the man who designed the sight- Mike Ellig of Black Gold. He's been helping me with mine and is a great resource. Give me a minute...

 

[robby denning]

Hi, I just got off the phone with Dustin at Black Gold (Mike was out)

He said it's likely that your bow is faster with the new strings now and that is magnified at longer yardages. He said to give them a call if you need some help and ideas- 406 388 9060. He's there now.

Drop your poundage a full turn (pay attention so you can get it reset when done) and see if that brings your 70 closer without changing the closer groups.

 

[Brock A]

If you are consistently center and high at 70, my bet it's your 60 is a tad high as well. You probably need different tape.

Typically I would agree with you except that thing is MONEY at 60. I've shot the last three days to confirm it just wasn't a fluke day shooting.

Hi, I just got off the phone with Dustin at Black Gold (Mike was out)

He said it's likely that your bow is faster with the new strings now and that is magnified at longer yardages. He said to give them a call if you need some help and ideas- 406 388 9060. He's there now.

Drop your poundage a full turn (pay attention so you can get it reset when done) and see if that brings your 70 closer without changing the closer groups.

Thanks Robby. Ill give them a call here shortly. I am headed to my bow shop tonight to try a few things but I wanted to see what others opinions were first. According to my sight tape (which may be incorrect) my bow actually slowed down with these strings. I am going to shoot it through the chrono tonight to see if the sight tape is correct or not.

 

[tipsntails7]

If your tape is spot on 20-60 I would say your anchor point is just off a touch for that yardage. Is it a single pin? If your throwing darts at 60 that the only thing I can think of that would cause it to be that high.

 

[KMD]

I quit even trying to mess with the factory MBG sight tapes.
Got some white stick on labels at office supply store, cut to size to fit the Ascent rear facing slider, then shot to 80yds. Made a tiny dot on the label at each distance, for reference. Once I had the pins proved by shooting a few times, I made permanent distance lines with different colored fine tipped Sharpies.
Done deal...

 

[Brock A]

If your tape is spot on 20-60 I would say your anchor point is just off a touch for that yardage. Is it a single pin? If your throwing darts at 60 that the only thing I can think of that would cause it to be that high.

5 pin.

 

[squeekieslayer]

I quit even trying to mess with the factory MBG sight tapes.
Got some white stick on labels at office supply store, cut to size to fit the Ascent rear facing slider, then shot to 80yds. Made a tiny dot on the label at each distance, for reference. Once I had the pins proved by shooting a few times, I made permanent distance lines with different colored fine tipped Sharpies.
Done deal...

This... Or get a sight tape program. Physics is physics... If you are off by 1/2 an inch at 20 and you use that even if your 60 is dead nuts you are going to be off. Many shooting 1/2 inch groups at 20 would call it good. I try to use nothing short of 35-40 for my short mark and then 70+ for my far mark and have had very good luck.

I have seen too many headaches trying to shoehorn those stock tapes into real world numbers.

Joe

 

[Brock A]

I quit even trying to mess with the factory MBG sight tapes.
Got some white stick on labels at office supply store, cut to size to fit the Ascent rear facing slider, then shot to 80yds. Made a tiny dot on the label at each distance, for reference. Once I had the pins proved by shooting a few times, I made permanent distance lines with different colored fine tipped Sharpies.
Done deal...

This... Or get a sight tape program. Physics is physics... If you are off by 1/2 an inch at 20 and you use that even if your 60 is dead nuts you are going to be off. Many shooting 1/2 inch groups at 20 would call it good. I try to use nothing short of 35-40 for my short mark and then 70+ for my far mark and have had very good luck.

I have seen too many headaches trying to shoehorn those stock tapes into real world numbers.

Joe

This is good idea and the thought has crossed my mind. If its not an easy fix tonight I am going to give this a go.

 

[boom]

I quit even trying to mess with the factory MBG sight tapes.
Got some white stick on labels at office supply store, cut to size to fit the Ascent rear facing slider, then shot to 80yds. Made a tiny dot on the label at each distance, for reference. Once I had the pins proved by shooting a few times, I made permanent distance lines with different colored fine tipped Sharpies.
Done deal...

me too!

i did this as well. i did however take my homemade marks and tried to find a corresponding MBG sight tape that matched. there was one!! i split it in half down the middle to make it "two" sight tapes. i took one (spare) and put it in my gun safe..just in case.

i am good out to 100 yards. my slider maxes out to get me to 100. i wont slide further to get me any further. oh well.

 

[mtbshark]

i take white shipping label as well and use only the middle pin to make my marks. then i either match up BG tapes or input it into the TAPES progam and it spits out a tape for me that goes out as far as i want. i usually print out a couple slower and faster as well just in case!

I have found that if you treat it like a single pin slider to sight in it is just that much more accurate.

 

[OR Archer]

I always recommend to guys when they are sighting in that they should use a horizontal line to aim at versus a dot. I think this gives you a much better gauge of your vertical shot string versus shooting a circle, especially when you need to be a bit more precise for making an accurate sight tape.

One thing I have run into with customers also is that at longer distances with a slider that they will fudge their anchor point ever so slightly. What you see is exactly what you are experiencing. It seems as though the bow is getting faster at longer distances when in fact your anchor has changed ever so slightly to get a good sight alignment. It doesn't take but a fraction of an inch to skew your results at those distances. There have been times where I have had to splice two different sight tapes together for guys to compensate for this.

 

[Brock A]

Thanks for the feedback guys! Robby, I had a chat with Dustin, cool guy. It was definitely a tuning issue. Went to my bow shop and shot through paper. We had a little knock tear so we made some adjustments and its like a whole new bow. I went to the range after and re-sighted in at 20-60. I shoot a few more days to make sure we are dialed in and then ill check sight tapes.

Brock

 

[littlebuf]

I'll be calling you Brock. Just got my bow set up how I want it with the new strings and limbs. Next is setting up my BG and the sight tape. May have to head up to your archery club one of these nights

 

[littlebuf]

Ask Roid. I hear that he is an archery expert.

HA! What is there two of us on here that are going to get that? To funny, hem may be a help too nothing that guys not an expert on

 

[Brandon Pattison]

Are the BG tapes offered with the top being 60 and on out or do they start at 20 only?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/851832/montana-black-gold-bow-sight-tape-kit

 

[J-Daddy]

Are the BG tapes offered with the top being 60 and on out or do they start at 20 only?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/851832/montana-black-gold-bow-sight-tape-kit

20-100yds only ....
I never mess with pre-printed tapes... I also never mess with ink pen tapes... Do yourself a favor, spend $15 and download the TAPES program from TAP. If all your looking to do is build sight tapes it's all you need and you can build them as far out as you want.
There are a lot of variables that can change with new strings, peep height could be slightly different than before, bow back in correct spec now where it was out with the stretched old strings... Tons of little things can really add up quick at 70+yds.

 

[robby denning]

Thanks for the feedback guys! Robby, I had a chat with Dustin, cool guy. It was definitely a tuning issue. Went to my bow shop and shot through paper. We had a little knock tear so we made some adjustments and its like a whole new bow. I went to the range after and re-sighted in at 20-60. I shoot a few more days to make sure we are dialed in and then ill check sight tapes.

Brock

Good deal, keep us posted!