77tmk and xbr8208

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New reloader here. I’ve seen a lot of folks loading 77tmk and xbr8208 at 23.5grns and above. The Sierra reloading manual states a max load of 22.0grns. Obviously, it’s working, but I’m curious as to why you’re “getting away” with being 1.5grns over recommended max load. Any thoughts? Again, new to all this. Thanks!
 
1) Lots of people load over book and over pressure. Tickling the dragon's tail..
2) Seating the bullets out longer than SAAMI spec allows you (requires you) to use more powder to achieve the same velocity.

FWIW I could never get XBR 8208 to shoot very well with 77 TMKs. H4895 was the magic dust...
 
Max load is always different between loading manuals. As always start low and work your way up checking for pressure signs. I know back when I started loading 8208 max was usually around 23.2 using different sources. I load at 23.4 for 77tmk in starline with no signs of over pressure.
 
New reloader here. I’ve seen a lot of folks loading 77tmk and xbr8208 at 23.5grns and above. The Sierra reloading manual states a max load of 22.0grns. Obviously, it’s working, but I’m curious as to why you’re “getting away” with being 1.5grns over recommended max load. Any thoughts? Again, new to all this. Thanks!
Is the Sierra load for .223 or for 5.56 pressures? Load data will be different, though a lot of people seem to shoot 5.56 pressures in any .223 anyway.

What's the seating depth? I'm assuming Sierra is spec'ing 2.25 or 2.26 and a lot of people with bolt actions are loading 2.4" or more.

What brass are you using? Brass capacity for 5.56 will vary by 2+ grains from low to high between brands. That will account for over a grain of difference in the powder charge it takes to hit a certain speed/pressure.

This is why everyone has to work up their own loads.
 
Brass is a big factor. I load 23.5 in LC brass and it shoots great. I know it hot though, because I loaded a few up using random brass just for target purposes and I was blowing primers
 
It all comes down to the common operating systems for 223. Operating pressure for a bolt action vs an AR15 are different. The different certifying organizations also spec different pressures for the “same” cartridge.

  • .223 Remington (SAAMI): 55,000 psi.
  • .223 Remington (CIP - European): Up to 62,366 psi (430 MPa).
  • 5.56 NATO (Mil-Spec): Generally operates around 58,000–62,000+ psi, depending on the load
The load data where Sierra lists 22gr is a 55kpsi load. Sierra has no idea if people will be shooting out of a gasser or bolt gun, and so present the safest pressure loading as their max charge.
The 23.5gr XBR load is much more in line with 60-62kpsi.

The brass doesn’t know what operating system it’s in. But the bolt lugs on an AR15 will start to have set-back into the barrel extension with persistent higher pressures.

Semi auto bolts start opening while there is still a significant level of pressure in the chamber. The closer your gas port is to your chamber, the higher these opening pressures can be. It’s one of the reasons that a rifle length gas system will shoot “smoother” than a carbine length gas system. But it also means that the bolt is very susceptible to wear and damage from higher pressure cartridges.

The lugs on a tikka 223 won’t have the same setback with higher pressure rounds. They have more material behind the lugs compared to an AR bolt. These actions are the same for 300win mag and 223rem. They just change the bolt face diameter and bolt stops.
They also effectively operate at a zero opening pressure. No matter fast you are at running the bolt, you will never be as fast as a gas operated system. And by the time you start rotating the bolt handle, the chamber pressure has already equalized with the environment.

There are also chamber geometry changes between 223/556 that can affect how pressure builds in the chamber.

At the end of the day, tikka proofs their bolts at 75kpsi. The 23.5gr/77tmk load is a pretty standard 62kpsi load. The 22.0gr/77tmk is a safe 55kpsi load. Running the 62kpsi loads in a bolt action is perfectly safe. Running those same loads in a 223 AR15 (in high enough volumes) will lead to early parts breakages.
 
New reloader here. I’ve seen a lot of folks loading 77tmk and xbr8208 at 23.5grns and above. The Sierra reloading manual states a max load of 22.0grns. Obviously, it’s working, but I’m curious as to why you’re “getting away” with being 1.5grns over recommended max load. Any thoughts? Again, new to all this. Thanks!

I’m using Hornady and Starline brass with the same load with no signs of pressure. I started below that and worked up to 23.5. I didn’t see any signs and it gave me good groups within my velocity range I wanted so, I stopped there.
Any thing you see on load data needs to be evaluated in your platform for safety.
 
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