25 creedmoor 133 Berger EH

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Made a post in the firearms section about my little budget custom 20" Tikka 25 creedmoor and said I would follow up with load data, so here's what I have so far. I will disclaim that I'm testing different methods, this one because of the shorter than expected freebore I did a short seating depth first at a safe break in load to see if it might work, or if I needed to add more freebore, or ditch the 133 all together. This is also a new barrel, total round count after this weekend 42. I see tons of claims about not even starting load development until a barrel is burned in, but who wants to waste components and not get data? This is the 3rd rifle I've done immediate development with, I'll follow up with where I land and what happens after it's settled as well.

COAL at .010" off the lands, seating depth test from .010"-.030"
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OCW test at .010" off the lands. 38-39.5gr H4350, CCI200. Berger published max 39.7, no pressure signs.
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I did make a scope adjustment 1" down before shooting the 38.9gr group in case POI shifted any higher. Velocity was pretty much linear through the test until the very last group, which could be an anomaly. My chrono finally missed a shot out of the second group so the 39.2 group is shots 12-14, ES of 8. It's not screaming fast, but it's got a slow and manageable recoil, and I estimate it will speed up as it burns in. My plan is to shoot the remaining 58 cases at this charge and monitor the load. After the brass is all once fired and the barrel is sped up and stabilized, I may do another pressure test up to the 41gr range if I can get there without pressure. For now, she shoots fine. Hopefully a kid will get it bloody this fall.

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Good shooting! I have some these on order. I'd say you're very low pressure. I run the 135 Berger in my 25cm up to 42.4gr H4350 without bolt lift, traveling 2960 from a 28" prs rifle. I've since switch to RL16 as its been more consistent. Equal charges of rl16 give another 25fps. Using alpha ocd srp 65cm brass necked down with a 283 bushing.
 
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Good shooting! I have some these on order. I'd say you're very low pressure. I run the 135 Berger in my 25cm up to 42.4gr H4350 without bolt lift, traveling 2960 from a 28" prs rifle.
Thanks! That's right on par with what I found from other posted loads, should have room to bump it up once the barrels broke in and I get a can on it. Loving it so far.
 
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Great info, I've been looking at building a 25 CM for awhile, always been a 25 caliber nut and love my 25-06 and 257 Bob. The 25 CM checks all the boxes for me, short action and heavier bullets!
 
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Great info, I've been looking at building a 25 CM for awhile, always been a 25 caliber nut and love my 25-06 and 257 Bob. The 25 CM checks all the boxes for me, short action and heavier bullets!
I agree the 25CM seems to be an easy button with good components.
 
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Did you do any more testing with this? Wondering what final velocity potential is.
Unfortunately not yet, my primer inventory was thin so I've been super conservative. I finally found some in stock though and hopefully only a few months from getting my can approval, so I plan on sending more soon.
 
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Got a new optic and did a 5 shot zero 2 weeks ago, got out today and sent 5 more at the same target for a 10 shot aggregate on 2 different days. Man this barrel is impressive. Total round count 70. Still shooting the 39.2gr load I loaded early fall with graphite to combat cold weld. Velocity is increasing, avg 2638 fps.

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I’ve got a 26in 25 creedmoor from PBB on my tikka action. H4350 shoots well, n555 shoots just as well but gave an extra 80-100fps. Current load is 2920fps and it was 2830fps with h4350. It did speed up a lot in the first 100 rounds.
 

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I've got a 6.5 CM that I use for the range and it's pretty underwhelming. I'm getting real close to swapping out that 6.5 for a 25. The only thing holding me back is the reloading. Does anyone make factory full-length reloading dies? Or would I have to go with bushings? Would it be possible to get a 6 CM die and have a machine shop open it up & just use a .257 expander?
 

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I'd think a 25 CM shooting the high BC 130's would make for a nice PRS gun splitting the difference between the 6 and 6.5 Creed.
 
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I've got a 6.5 CM that I use for the range and it's pretty underwhelming. I'm getting real close to swapping out that 6.5 for a 25. The only thing holding me back is the reloading. Does anyone make factory full-length reloading dies? Or would I have to go with bushings? Would it be possible to get a 6 CM die and have a machine shop open it up & just use a .257 expander?
Quick search looks like Redding is making a FL 25 die now, but I have a Hornady 6.5cm bushing die. I believe Hornady will hone a standard FL die, or other manufacturers and then just get the correct expander. I wouldn't go .257 though that won't leave you with much tension to start with, and possibly none after a few firings if you don't anneal and it work hardens.
 
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I've got a 6.5 CM that I use for the range and it's pretty underwhelming. I'm getting real close to swapping out that 6.5 for a 25. The only thing holding me back is the reloading. Does anyone make factory full-length reloading dies? Or would I have to go with bushings? Would it be possible to get a 6 CM die and have a machine shop open it up & just use a .257 expander?

I would call forster and see if they would "hone" a 6 creedmoor to your desired neck dimension.
 

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Just spoke to someone there, they don't do anything custom. He recommended Whidden. I think I'm just going to get a 6CM full length resizing die, pull the expander, take it to my smith & have him bore it out. Then I'll just use an expander mandrel to get the final sizing.
 

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I haven't ordered the barrel yet, so I've got plenty of time to figure things out.
 

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I wouldn't go .257 though that won't leave you with much tension to start with, and possibly none after a few firings if you don't anneal and it work hardens.
I didn’t mean expand it to .257 (my bad), I just meant expand it for .257 bullets. Probably more like .254 or .255 for the actual mandrel size.
 

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Why don't you just use a 6.5 Creedmoor FL bushing die set with whatever size bushing works best for a 25 Creed then you won't even need to bother with a sizing button or expander at all.

I use Redding 6.5-284 bushing dies with the different bushings in my 6-284, 22-250 bushing dies for 20-250, 222 bushing dies for 20-222, 6.5CM bushing dies for 6CM. Most of them it doesn't quite size the entire length of the neck but it hasn't caused me any accuracy issues in any of them. I'm getting ready to build a 25 SAUM and I'll be using a Redding 7mm SAUM bushing die for that.
 

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I don’t have any experience with either bushing dies or expanding mandrels, but from what I’ve read (take this for what it’s worth..) you’d get better consistency by sizing the inside of the neck as opposed to sizing the outside of the neck due to inconsistencies in brass thickness. Although in all honesty, I don’t know if the differences would be tangible for the shooting I would be doing with it. I’m not shooting benchrest or f-class where absolute precision is vital.
 
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I don’t have any experience with either bushing dies or expanding mandrels, but from what I’ve read (take this for what it’s worth..) you’d get better consistency by sizing the inside of the neck as opposed to sizing the outside of the neck due to inconsistencies in brass thickness. Although in all honesty, I don’t know if the differences would be tangible for the shooting I would be doing with it. I’m not shooting benchrest or f-class where absolute precision is vital.
I run mine over an expander because it makes me feel better, but there are plenty of loads that shoot just as good only using a bushing on non neck turned brass. It takes an extremely large sample size to actually prove whether or not there's a justifiable difference in the two, which is why I just do it. In theory, it makes sense to me from a consistency standpoint.
 

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The sac sizing die is an option, but they don’t give them away.

It’s a bushing die, but it’s a shoulder/neck bushing so you don’t end up with a doughnut.

Combine it with a carbide expander/decapper and it’s a one pull size/mandrel/decap.
 
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