.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

[BigNate]

I don't have a hard on for it.

Which subsonic 22 LR load would be the equivalent of a 55 grain 223 bullet, what 22 rifle is twisted to deliver it, and which state would allow it?

I may have the opportunity to lease some acreage that abuts an upscale residential area. The situation is such that window rattling big booms associated with hunting could create enough pressure on the landowner to disallow the lease.

Subsonic with a suppressor is quiet enough but I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I tried Trailboss with 55gr ballistic tips, and 75gr eldm with the tips removed. I didn't shoot deer but rather shot them into water filled jugs at 45 yards. The only one of these I would try deer with is the heavier ones. With the can on, full power loads don't sound much different than a .22 mag, and if it's legal then one crack of a .22 isn't much of a concern. The 75gr I tried actually looked like it would work well enough, and quietly if needed.

Then again, my neighbors hear gunshots from all around us, randomly, all year so it goes basically unnoticed.

 

[FLS]

Can I load 77grain SMKs with the same charge and expect closeish results for a slightly cheaper target/training option? Obviously we are all trying to save TMKs given how hard they are to find. Currently using 24.5grains of TAC at 2.26

Yes. I have shot thousands of SMKs over 24.5 grains of TAC loaded to 2.26” In my rifles they’re actually more accurate than the the TMKs. If you don’t need the terminal performance, I don’t don’t see a reason to shoot them.

 

[Billy Goat]

Has anyone played with CFE223 and the TMK?

TAC I assume the better option, we'll, XBR being the best, but currently I have Varget, Tac, and CFE223. Seems like I'm likely best going with TAC.

 

[woods89]

Has anyone played with CFE223 and the TMK?

TAC I assume the better option, we'll, XBR being the best, but currently I have Varget, Tac, and CFE223. Seems like I'm likely best going with TAC.

I use it with 69 gr TMK. It's worked fine. MV of 2885 out of a 22" barrel.

I tried it with 77 gr TMK out of my CZ 1:9 twist. Precision was not great but of course the twist was marginal.

 

[Billy Goat]

I use it with 69 gr TMK. It's worked fine. MV of 2885 out of a 22" barrel.

I tried it with 77 gr TMK out of my CZ 1:9 twist. Precision was not great but of course the twist was marginal.

Hodgdon lists 60 fps more with CFE223 over TAC with 1000 psi less.

None of it matters much, but I do have more of the CFE223.

Oh, wait, I forgot the magic scrubbing bubbles in the 223 so I don't hafta clean!!

 

[woods89]

Hodgdon lists 60 fps more with CFE223 over TAC with 1000 psi less.

None of it matters much, but I do have more of the CFE223.

Oh, wait, I forgot the magic scrubbing bubbles in the 223 so I don't hafta clean!!

Yeah, cleans your bore while you shoot!

 

[Lawnboi]

77tmk, 120 yards, started at 2730. Photo is of the entrance. 20 yard run.

 

[Dobermann]

77tmk, 120 yards, started at 2730. Photo is of the entrance. 20 yard run.

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Thanks for showing this ...

What setup are you running for that rifle?

 

[Lawnboi]

Thanks for showing this ...

What setup are you running for that rifle?

That is just a factory lite barreled action cut to 20” and threaded. In an eh1, with mountain tactical bottom metal. Nx8 in a tikka direct mount.


Shot 2 more with the 77s but didn’t take wound photos. Too damn cold! Both deer went approximately 20 yards. Both heart shots.

Brings my total with the 223 to 7. Still happy with the performance .

 

[260madman]

Here’s an 8 with a broken brow tine. Shot was pushing 200 yards. Quartering towards my daughter. Entrance was inside the left shoulder and took out a lung. Buck did the “Stop. Drop and roll Dick roll”. If you’re Gen X you’ll know it. Plowed snow and Ran maybe 40 yards, probably less, and tried to jump the fence but jumped early and hit a tree before hitting the fence, he was dead and running. Same 16” AR and 77gr TMK as last years big buck she shot. This one is smaller unfortunately but we made the decision together to shoot it.



Lung



I have video of the event. If you want to see it, message me. 23 seconds. I don’t have a YouTube account.

 

[Darryle]

Took me 11 days start to finish on this roller coaster. Eye opening and thoroughly enjoyed it. I won't hunt with the Howa Mini 223 this year, but I will spend plenty of time getting to know it's intricacies.

I purchased a Howa Mini 223 barreled action from Brownells, a Stocky's VGM raw carbon stock and Oregon Gunsmithing BDL bottom metal and hopefully get it all together over Thanksgiving. Debating on whether to add some color before bedding and installing the scope.

Couple of 223 Varmint rifles for sale on another forum, wish that Tikka had popped up before I ordered the Howa.

Tikka T3 Varmint 223

CZ 527 223

 

[Floridave]

Has anyone played with CFE223 and the TMK?

TAC I assume the better option, we'll, XBR being the best, but currently I have Varget, Tac, and CFE223. Seems like I'm likely best going with TAC.

I used 24 gr of CFE223 and 77gr TMK’s out of a 20 inch AR to take these 2 Louisiana whitetails.
I didn’t really work up the load for accuracy (ran out of time) and didn’t chronograph it, but it shot under 1 inch so I was good with trying it.
154 and 70 yards, one down on the spot the other a 30 yard dash and down.
My first hunt with the tiny cartridge but not my last.

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[260madman]

Update the distance from my daughter’s buck. Shot was 183 yards. Flopped and plowed snow/ran 32 yards.

 

[BLJ]

17 yards (approximately) broadside. MV of 2564. Jumped and humped up at the shot. 3 quick jumps, walked 10’ then stopped and fell over. 25 yards total distance covered and 30 seconds until he was dead.
Heart and lungs were unidentifiable. That’s what the raspberry soup is in the second picture. Entry and exit were both around 1/2”. It was a good day.

 

[PantherCity]

17 yards (approximately) broadside. MV of 2564. Jumped and humped up at the shot. 3 quick jumps, walked 10’ then stopped and fell over. 25 yards total distance covered and 30 seconds until he was dead.
Heart and lungs were unidentifiable. That’s what the raspberry soup is in the second picture. Entry and exit were both around 1/2”. It was a good day.

What rifle and stock is that?


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[mt100gr.]

What rifle and stock is that?


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Looks like a Ruger American Ranch 5.56 with a DIY stock build-up to get the ergos. Looks damn good, too!

 

[BLJ]

Looks like a Ruger American Ranch 5.56 with a DIY stock build-up to get the ergos. Looks damn good, too!

You are correct. Athlon Argos HMR 2-12 with the AHMC reticle on top.
Thanks for the compliment. It works very well for me.

 

[Txmike]

I stumbled on this thread after a buddy of mine was telling me that he was going to use match bullets for hog and whitetail hunting. I told him that I thought it was a bad idea, but decided to check it out. Glad that I did!

I could not find a tikka that had a threaded barrel locally, but they had a CA scout in .223 with a threaded barrel. First CA rifle. Hopefully I got one that will shoot. Have not had a chance to take it out yet.

I am having trouble finding loaded TMK. Anyone know where to find purchase some? Thanks in advance, and this is probably my favorite thread of all time.

Cheers!

 

[PNWGATOR]

Contact Unknown Munitions.

 

[Txmike]

Contact Unknown Munitions.

Unfortunately, at this time, they only have SMK.