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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I think your statement reinforces my main point from a different perspective. Most of us have seen that when it comes to selling someone on a product or persuading someone. A fact can be very persuasive for some people. Generally (by no means all) they list true facts learned/observed/ tested...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    This is awesome information thank you for sharing this and answering my question. A simple answer is we do not know with certainty which one will kill faster. The only way to prove one way or another would be to fix/control certain variables. Which honestly goes too far off track of what would...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I apologize that I have hurt your feeling so bad that you felt the need to say that. That was not my intentions.
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I agree 100%. I guess that is another question I have. If we can accurately predict terminal performance with bullet construction, velocity, and target medium. What is the formula to achieve the optimal results on a larger scale? Say I didn’t have a 223 but I have a 6 creedmoor. What would be...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    Yes. I agree that it is fairly useless. I admit that some of my assumptions were wrong. The most accurate predictor of terminal performance is bullet construction, impact velocity, and target medium. Anything short of these pieces of information will be incomplete. I also have personally...
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    Velocity windows across a given manufacturers line/model of bullet

    Maybe a better way to ask this question is: is there a reliable way to scale a desirable wound shape/depth up or down?
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    Velocity windows across a given manufacturers line/model of bullet

    We know that the most accurate/reliable/predictable method of determining terminal performance is: 1. BULLET CONSTRUCTION This covers all things bullet related including materials, weight, weight distribution, sectional density, jacket thickness, hardness, diameter etc. 2. IMPACT VELOCITY How...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    It’s been a good discussion and I have honestly learned a lot from all the input guys. Thank you! I like exploring a topic from all angles when possible and I will admit some of my assumptions were wrong. I will part with a quote from Martin L Fackler from institute report 239. Titled “what’s...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    That sounds like an awesome job! I too feel like you are making the simple answer complicated, And could ask you the same question. This simple answer to the whole thread is yes it has the potential, HOWEVER it depends on a lot of other variables.
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    This is where it gets kinda tricky though right. Living tissue is a variable medium. Ballistics gel is a controlled medium that we can sometimes count on giving an idea of a permanent wound track (when it comes close to matching the tissue the bullet strikes/ interacts with) the field pics show...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I guess that in a way makes a point. In your last example Bullet mass would have to be included. Bullet construction, bullet velocity and bullet mass in the case of more fragments/ wound potential. One variable alone is not the entire story, two alone is not the entire story, three alone is...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I do not disagree with anything you have said. I have a follow up question. (I honestly don’t have any experience with the Barnes bullet on game) In your Barnes example where did the excess energy go? And how do we know that the excess energy did not create a larger wound diameter (by means...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I have one more question. I understand that temporary cavity alone in terms of wounding is relatively mild in soft stretchy tissues like lungs and may be slightly (emphasis on slightly) more effective to harder organs such as the liver. A good example of this is the high speed video of a bullet...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    Thank you! That makes sense to me.
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    Thank you for this answer! I appreciate that you took the time to explain all of that to me. It really interests me as well! I can’t find anything I disagree with in what you have said. I have a follow up question for you. In the case of a dangerous game cartridge say a .470 nitro...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    Ok so if I’m understanding the you guys correctly. The simple answer to the title of this thread is… NO! (A very emphatic one at that 😂) Energy has no potential to affect terminal performance. It is Useless. Ok 👍 it’s settled.
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    I agree
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    This also falls in the arguments not being made section. we all know that bullet construction plays a large role in what type of work is being performed and how quickly it is performed. The animal is dead arguments also fall under arguments that are not being made as well. By your logic a sharp...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    This could fall in the arguments not being made section. I do not disagree that balance is probably the safest and best all around strategy when it comes to hunting. Meat damage is a very subjective topic. Meat damage also has a lot to do with bullet construction and shot placement/ shot...
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    Does Energy have the potential to affect terminal performance?

    The goal is not to make it harder. If you like your method of this bullet at this velocity window that’s fine a have no problem with that. Assuming I stay within the velocity and mass window balance point of a projectile what could I draw from a lower energy number? it has a lower potential for...

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