I did a high spine shot on a black bear someone else wounded. It dropped the bear. I found the bullet lodged in the spine. So yes a 375 won't go through a bear at any angle. Your friends experience brings up another point. Breaking a bears shoulder is pointless if you don't also hit something...
PNWGATOR I am referring to the size of the wound cavity. A 375 with tough bullets is inefficient on a black bear because a 308 with softer bullets makes a similar wound cavity.
Just to clarify...
Plenty of examples exist of bears shot with tiny rifles. But often they are brain shots. What is interesting about this thread is the evidence 223 with the right bullet can do well on body shots. A lot of bigger guns are probably wasting energy because they blast through with...
Okay so we have convincing evidence a 223 rifle will work for big game. Now how about a 308 with TMK bullets or something similar for a grizzly bear. Maybe a soft bullet for a chest shot and premium bullets for backup if the bear charges? I'm half serious. I have shot two Grizzlies with a 375...
My 2.5-10 is now on a 358 Winchester and seems appropriate for it (basically a light 30p yard gun). No issues but minimal use.
I just dropped my Leopold 1-4. Plan was to put it in QD rings as backup on my 30-06. I would have been happy if it had survived the 18 inch drops with minimal change...
Well I just double checked my Leopold after a drop test. It appeared to move about 4 moa after one 18 inch drop than it popped back. I drop it 3x from 3 ft. It now does several shots dead on than a couple will randomly move up and to the left about 4 moa. Best guess is something is loose. Funny...
Thanks Form. I agree the SWFA 3-9 (on my 30-06) is better but I only have one. So I ordered a Trijicon for my 308. It gets less use so I'm confident it will be acceptable. These tests make me feel even better about it.
I was actually going to ask if Form or anyone else had an opinion on whether the 30mm tunes might be more durable. If I recall the Credo 3-18 did a bit better. Is that a statistical fluke or is the 30mm tube stronger?
BTW if Leopold warranties the scope I might get another one free....
Any idea if a fixed power Leopold is any better? I was thinking I f trying their 2.5x fixed
Glad to hear it did okay. A 3 foot fall is something I would notice so a scope that mostly passes a 3 foot drop test is very usable. I'd just check zero before a long shot if it fell hard.
I put a Accupoint 1-4 on my bear rifle. I just ordered a Huron 2.5-10x40 for the kid's 308. Nice to know...
Well I found a good deal on a used Trijicon 1-4 Accupoint so I'm a bit poorer now. I wish it wasn't so bulky but if it's tougher it will be worth it for the peace of mind.
I do remember Form got a Trijicon to fail a drop test. Everything can break. I'm just getting the impression a Trijicon might be a bit harder the break. I've seen forums with more Leopold fans but even there a few break.
Another theory I have is that all things being equal bigger scopes will...
Redneck has a point but... If you search around you will find plenty of stories of Leopolds breaking under heavy recoil (usually 458s and up) or from hard knocks. I think there is reason for concern. Now I do think Leopold is better than many brands out there and most Leopolds can take some...
I'm selling a Leopold VX3 1.5-5x20. It appears to be an earlier version, not the current CDS dial version. It includes Butler Creek flip up scope caps. I really like it but I'm switching scopes around. I mounted it on a 358 Winchester and fired a few shots. Never carried it in the field. It only...
Thanks. Care to define "generally" any of those better durability wise?
Guess I should clarify. I've heard of plenty of people putting Trijicon scopes on big rifles. I think it will handle the recoil. But my Leopold does that. I'm wondering if the durability for bumps and drops is better.